Oddbean new post about login | logout Too bad I don't have @ODELL again to discuss Nostr as Bitcoin's Layer 3. h/t @bob
Sir, Nostr is not a layer 3. I will die on this hill.
need this as a debate asap
Nostr isn't built on Lightning, nor does it require Lightning. Debate over.
so zaps are irrelevant to nostr?
Yes. Zaps were invented ~2.5 years after the first Nostr code commit.
feisty take that one i'll have a ponder now https://i.nostr.build/roqzw.jpg
Nostr is an Information Layer 1, using a Capital Layer 2 (Lightning Network) as a payment system for zaps.
Bitcoin’s L3 is a messaging layer for L2s. The L3 should be open, permissionless and decentralized. Nostr is a Bitcoin L3. Let me know where to ship the tombstone 😜
Nostr isn't built in Bitcoin or Lightning and doesn't need Bitcoin or Lightning. It doesn't have to utilize them at all! Keep the tombstone for yourself.
It's a lot more than a Bitcoin L3, but that doesn't mean its not a Bitcoin L3... of course need L2s to implement NWC or else its not.
NWC is more of a layer 3 than Nostr itself 🤣
I'll take that 😃
But whatever it's called, the more important part is that Nostr/NWC enables one click, multiparty bitcoin payments which is a huge UX leap to the way traditional bitcoin payments works today and can make bitcoin payments an actually better experience than traditional payments.
I think it’s cool to think of nostr as a bitcoin L3 and while I’m not a very technical person both of you got rewarded sats for this conversation so that seems to suggest bobs right.. also you say it doesn’t need lightning with nostr but now that we’ve discovered it I think we do need it..
I know I’m shit, but if it’s in art, does it make it true? Or does it make the art full of crap? While nostr doesn’t “need” bitcoin, it thrives on the same ethos. If you’re a bitcoiner, chances are you’re a nostr-er. I don’t think the reverse works as new nostr-people are looking for freedom from (social media) censorship. nostr:note1th7dquzxhal24raskljsfgatp6np79zjjkynvdxhg85cww9547wqjhlmra
These are fiat points and I preach and speak that Bitcoin and Nostr have beautiful symbiotic relationshis. It's one of the key points of my talks that I give at conferences. I also state that they don't need one another, but when they do work together, they're unstoppable, because we can't truly transact until we can truly communicate. That said, for Nostr to be consider a layer, it has to be built upon a previous layer. That's how layers work. Nostr is not built in Lightning. It's a separate tool.
So many tired typos. Sorry. Amethyst users can see the fixed version 🤣
