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 ​To achieve end-user programming where users can spin up personalized apps without knowing how to code, we need to start with end-programmer programming. 

Tune into the next Causal Islands podcast with special guest Steve Krouse as we discuss ways software engineers can build folk applications, integrations, and mini-apps to customize their experience interacting with third-party software. https://lu.ma/causalislandspodcast #programming

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