I do appreciate all of that. And I'd like to see cross-pollination between the two projects. I'll be sure to read the docs when I have a chance.

On the topic of digital signatures, you may be right that they aren't strictly needed, but I like them because they're so simple and give you so many guarantees that they really open up the design space and protect you from your own mistakes. Having them is a left side of the bell curve approach which makes the rest so much easier. They're a bit expensive in terms of computation, but I don't think they add very much complexity if you can just import a library and call a function.

> I would love to discuss these plans with anyone who listens, to get insights back.

Would you or John like to come on the nostr:nprofile1qyw8wumn8ghj76r0v3kxymmy9e3k7unpvdkx2tn5dahkcue0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qgmwaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8wetnw3jhymnzw33jucm0d5hszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qgswaehxw309ahzummtxqhx7un89uqzphl3mpurnffw88l6vmukxylervy8xn22envuanr3678u9648r9363yvpq7 ? I've been trying to get other protocol devs on, but they all want to build in private and the timing is never right. I'm always interested in comparing notes. 

 Absolutely, i am personally happy to join and talk about technical stuff or general themes.  

 Great, sent you a dm. Let me know if there's a better way to get in touch. 

 I will respond as soon as primal shows it to me, otherwise I am on Matrix; @nuhvi:matrix.org and Signal; Nuh.710