Oddbean

here is my dilemma: i have a forced pension that is set in CHF. I MUST contribute each month by law. I can't take it and hodl BTC. Now the CHF is as hard af BUT it still evaporates as all fiat and the cumulative effect is disastrous. SO.... WOULD I opt for some Bitcoin ETF instead of putting my pension directly into fiat? I think the answer is : YES So maybe the idea isn't so stupid for me. BUT I ofc get the whole shitty paper Bitcoin, custodial nature of it. Just being pragmatic... The kicker to the story is... I was asked if I would like to switch from a CHF cash (locked) account to "invest in funds" mode - did this: the fund did a -17% in the very first year. You can't make this shit up!!

Do what works for you, mate. I had money in my work pension, to which I've contributed for 5-6 years. After being orange-pilled, I wanted to take it all out an buy Bitcoin with it. However, after looking into the process of doing that, I realised that after fees and taxes, I'd be lucky to be left with 20% of the money. So, with that in mind, I simply opened a private pension account, transferred my work pension in it, and used the funds to buy MSTR, RIOT, and ARB, as those were the closest Bitcoin proxies I could invest in. I would rather just have bought Bitcoin with the funds, but it's better than having the money invested for me by a pension fund.

yeah but you don't get it... in Europe you have no choice.. in Switzerland I have a LITTLE choice: a bank fund or a cash account. It simply sits there year after year losing to inflation. If an ETF comes along and my bank is then "permitted" for me to tell them: "please invest in this Bitcoin ETF" for SURE I would say: yeah go for it. All other options open to me are useless...

I actually phoned the bank that had lost me 17% in the first year and asked "hey I would really like to just buy Bitcoin with this what can you do?" he replied "oh that is WAY too risky for us hence the law doesn't permit it.." ... after losing me 17% in my first year.. MFs! and with NO LOSS to THEIR bottom line. It is the absolute fiat fuckery of this world in one story...

One of the biggest scams of TradFi: - we make you a small profit, WE GET PAID! - we lose you unlimited money, WE GET PAID It sucks, when it's legal for them to take your money, gamble it away, and face zero consequences

I do get it. I didn't tell you not to buy the #Bitcoin ETF, if you'll have the option, in your pension. I gave you an example of a similar situation that I was in, but the ETF wasn't available, at that point. You should do with your money what makes most sense to you, not to please Bitcoiners.

well i just want BTC. Today I had the winning noob argument actually: "answer this question: will the US$ be worth MORE or LESS Venezuelan Bolivars in 4 years? will the CHF be worth MORE or LESS US$ in 4 years? If needed extend that to 10 or 20 years" "Once you answer yes to both of those then you have the answer to: will 1 BTC be worth more or less [fiat currency of your choice INCLUDING the CHF] in 4 years"

The fascinating aspect of Switzerland is that banks still offer the option to tie up your money, essentially until your death, in a third-tier pension instrument. This instrument offers 1% interest while healthcare and energy costs are skyrocketing. It's supported by a fictional CPI that props up these bank instruments for the benefit of the system and people still drink this kool aid.