it is only his lack of adequate support of outbox model and the very slow response of the client to auth request envelopes from my relay (sometimes it sends a dozen before the client finally sends back a signed auth envelope) that i don't still have #coracle as my daily driver... the outbox model is basically not negotiable for a relay dev testing client, and without that it doesn't even matter if NIP-42 is working, really, outbox is > NIP-42 support

this is my experience as a relay dev, and hodlbod recently got into this arena with his own fork of khatru but charging for access is not on his priority list, and it's only one guy, so i don't like to be too dark about the things missing, as it's trivial in comparison to everything else, primal, amethyst, iris in terms of completeness of their implementation of the critical protocol features 

 this is also why i am constantly berating fiatjaf, pablo, and others about their work on things that don't address or disregard the importance of making the protocol self-funding

without self funding this thing will die like every VC funded attempt at social networks, it's really serious and these people just don't get it, comfortable with their fat grants 

 bitcoin is now bigger than the swiss franc because it is a self funding distributed system

i can't say enough towards this and really want people to get hold of this and run with it because the sooner this protocol is its own circular ecosystem between users, devs and operators the sooner we are outside of the gates, right now we are just like a billy goat bashing against a fence that is strong enough to contain him

self funding is like a set of heavy duty bolt cutters 

 We should start a company, issue a token and build a revenue model. 

1. A client cannot start charging fees from the get go. It has to be a freemium model. 
2. The client will abstract away all the underlying costs. Maybe a $1/year could be the minimum. 
3. It cannot be ads based. It'll misalign the incentives again.  

 no need to register with the government for anything, why? 

 Why do we need to register with a government?  

 only if you want to serve them or be raped 

 Do not want to be raped, by anyone.  

 oh i forgot, not "serve" i meant "be the slaves of"

so, yeah, i'll pass on being raped or any kind of slavery as well 

 I got what you meant ahaha. I don't want to be their servant!  

 Thanks. Seems like a good model, hopefully more clients use it like nostrudel  

 it's better than the "gossip model" which pablo, fiatjaf and other rock stars are in love with... they are just youngins and don't have serious engineering troubleshooting exp