Oddbean new post about login | logout To be fair though, this is a fight the Americans have to do themselves. It's not up to foreign companies to resist and face prison to fight against laws the American people have voted for, and continue to vote for. It's entirely up to the American people to change their government themselves, and very cowardly of them to demand foreign companies fight a fight they're not willing to fight themselves. If Americans aren't going to stand up for themselves, wtf should anyone else? All these people abusing Phoenix, calling them cowards, why aren't they abusing their government? Is it because their government will do to them what they are doing to children protesting at universities if they dare complain?
You are right. This is our fight
I understand your perspective, however it's not quite so simple to just vote this problem away. There are significantly more steps involved than just voting.
Sure. Still, it's no one else's problem. All the abuse that Phoenix has received is absolutely wrong. Americans need to focus that anger where it belongs, with themselves for choosing the government they have.
Nothing Phoenix is doing is a crime. They folded with zero pressure. They will do it again in other countries sooner or later. Yes they can do what they want and I expect nobody to take a proverbial bullet for me, but I am free to say they are fucking cowards and fuck them for wasting the money I just spent a couple months ago setting up with them.
You lost funds?
No but it costs money to set up and buy inbound and now I gotta start all over again and spend more money. Fuck them. What they gonna do when EU bans self-custody like has been openly discussed? Same thing. They have shown their true colors. How could they be trusted ever again?
So that's why the EU has to be reformed and the pirates party which is pro privacy needs more votes. Watching from the sideline and hoping for the best or to not care about politics has this result.
Yea that aint gonna happen. No election, no politician, will ever change a thing. Every election makes things worse. You cant vote your way out of tyranny
Well said.
The problem is that the US operates under an imperial system that trumps international laws, jurisdictions and borders. You just saw this: the governments of Iceland and Portugal enforcing the orders of the US government for stuff that isn't even criminal.
That's the very true and worrying part!
As a business, you have to think about risk, your user base, your staff and make decisions that keep you operating, nothing wrong with that, your responsibility is to keep the doors open and service the market you can It's not as if Phoenix isn't giving up a lot, they're losing out on one of the biggest markets, but de-risking seems like the lesser evil right now No one on social is going to pay your bills, legal bills or keep you out of jail
No, most ppl did not vote for this LMAO But it will be our fight
And what will Phoenix do when they face similar pressures in the EU? Their recent actions do not inspire confidence.
