My gripe is that devs are trying to work with the most complex situation for groups, both public and private - which is known to be a mess. I'm arguing that we get more or less the same functionality with a simpler implementation because it is already baked into the functionality of nostr itself. The problem I'm seeing is that the UX is not there, but the most basic functionality is how Amethyst has different feeds for hashtags and lists. A 'community' can be one relay or multiple, but the only criteria is that they have similar values, either in topic or in moderation.

"Scale of complexity" just means how mixed everything is. For example your global is the highest complexity. Your follower count is just a smaller global because your feed is just who you follow, but anyone can comment. The same property applies if you are just one user posting to 5 relays about beekeeping because thats the community you want to cultivate. The 50 relay global can't cultivate a beekeeping community because anyone can jump in the conversation. Right @7fqx? (please add a name or 7fqx, I want to tag you 🥹)
nostr:nevent1qqszggrwxt62rtc2xd5lywhlcvj0fah7mune9l6um62jjzds77y989qpr9mhxue69uhkymm4de3k2u3wdehhxarjv4jjumt99uq3vamnwvaz7tm9v3jkutnwdaehgu3wd3skuep0qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9ungxxum 

 so like Git Citadel goes into nip29 and a thematic community doesn't need it, it uses group/communities/list/tags/subject and chooses 2 or three relays to write to. 
The problem with the lists is that you read everything about those profiles, 
in the chat there is moderation but they can come from anywhere,
then the chat is not available in many apps 

 Can you explain a bit more? Not understanding the last two sentences. 

 I was wondering if people could tag me lol. I could go back to having a name. I do like being an npub tho lol 🤔 

 green clover 

 #Amethyst is weird like that. I can never delete a status. You can't not have a status it seems. Not really a big deal lol. Just a curiosity.