Oddbean

sounds good. remember your real issue is ENERGY POISONING. your body has no way to expend the energy you take in ( via calories ) and this fundamental imbalance of energy in vs energy out has a cascade effect of throwing everything else in your body off balance which in turn causes all sorts of damage which creates further imbalance and further damage and so on and so forth essentially creating the downward spiral that leads to bankruptcy from medical bills followed by early death. avoiding meat doesn't do jack shit to address any of this - it ( hopefully ) alleviates a single symptom.

I fully agree that, as you say "energy poisoning" is one of the major causes of modern disease, is THE cause of diabetes, is the primary cause of gout, and also increases risks of cancer and atherosclerotic diseases. And probably the most important one to correct. But (and this is where we differ) I also think saturated fat (apoB to be precise) accelerates atherosclerosis. And so limiting red meat (as long as you can do so without gaining wait) is another good target for health. But avoiding energy poisoning is the bigger of the two levers.

if you don't like saturated fat you can eat fish instead of meat. either meat or fish are both "higher quality" food than stuff like rice and beans. the benefit of saturated fat is it is more shelf stable than fish oil. as for saturated fat being bad for you - any time you miss a meal your body is eating its own saturated fat from the adipose tissue ...

So you don't buy into this whole "atherosclerosis is actually caused by inflammation and seed oil plant lipids" theory, proposed by eg Paul Mason? I'm just like your average lazy thinking YouTube watcher, who found this quite in depth talk very interesting and compelling: Dr. Paul Mason - 'The Clotting Theory of Atherosclerosis and Seed Oil Toxicity (updated)' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lRXZfs6Sjs

Paul Mason is a physiotherapist. That means he has as much actual research and clinical experience on this topic as I have: none. Many of his citations don't say what he claims they say. I prefer to listen to this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8tzaXQH1G4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xTaAHSFHUU