Oddbean

This might sound harsh, but it’s honestly what I believe. If you don’t want to vote for Trump, I get it. He’s a douche, and he presided over lockdowns, green lighted the mRNA and didn’t do shit against the deep state despite his many promises to the contrary. But if you are voting for Kamala Harris, at best you simply have no idea how the world works, and/or are not paying attention. I cannot take you seriously in the worldview domain. You are disqualified IMO if you are voting for her. (And it’s not really her you are voting for since she’s obviously an NPC, but google, the military, pharmaceutical and censorship industrial complexes, the corporate media, the WEF, etc.) I’m not saying my attitude is the “correct” one to have, and I wish no ill on those who I deem to have a worthless and unconsidered worldview, but it’s just truthfully what I believe. If you advocate for her, I think you are totally uninformed and willfully so at this point. I think you are epistemically derelict. And I am not the only one. But the consequences of your advocacy for something I find so obviously and transparently abhorrent are merely that. A diminished view, a loss of respect for your judgment by me. I would never advocate for silencing you, censoring you or punishing you in any way for your political views. Because while this is my true, heartfelt and deeply held belief, there is of course a chance I could be wrong.

Pretty much sums it up. nostr:nevent1qqsvgrrayxnhlv9xuwmzs2elauua7asn7pl6arhdeyhpjyvjmckkjzspz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygr26032xjqck9fus86gck85fegenea5ljxmuduppgqqmn3ujzmhgqpsgqqqqqqsgr0xjg

Agreed. How anyone can fully support either party is a bit beyond my understanding. On a side note I've almost developed an odd respect for the democratic party. They are playing with their cards face up. Censorship, Totalitarianism... It's all on full display. There is no longer an effort to hide it.

Yes absolutely. But it does not even have to be quite as dark as that. I think society has failed to provide a culture built on a cohesive and productive moral framework. Our values have been so eroded. At one point to be a good average person in your community meant going to church on sunday and now it means aborting your unborn children because it is good for the planet. On an individual level I do not see the average person who seeks to be good as the face of evil. I see them as a weak or unthoughtful person who has been caught in the tide of a corrupted and destructive culture.

don't think he’s saying everyone who seeks to be good is evil, only that the face of evil consists in the seeking to be good. Because even if being “good” was going to church, you will have the types that persecute those who don’t go to church. Virtually all evil is in projecting outward your failure to be good, and you only “seek” to be good if you feel you are morally deficient.

I do not think that going to church be default makes you good nor that it isn't requirement for being good but was just an example of how the values of society have shifted. I also think that all people are morally deficient and should strive to be good but simply that what the world presents to us as the pathway to "goodness" is false. I am not sure that I understand exactly what you are saying but I do not feel like we disagree. Perhaps it is something along the lines of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"

good way to put it — yeah, not implying you were making the point that church = good. Just using your example to show that no matter what = good, it will be not only be inadequate, but the very act of trying to achieve that false sense will also be projected onto others and cause people to persecute them, i.e., be evil.

I heard Megyn Kelly say something along the lines about how church makes more sense to her now because the act of sitting/standing/kneeling with a whole bunch of other people is a reminder that we are a collective, and no one is "special". but then i also see the importance in having mavericks and black sheep.