https://youtu.be/1bZ0OSEViyo?si=V_gjeLcEt2Ng3QP5 This was VERY interesting. My take away: The merger of monetary inflation and technological deflation (especially with A.I.) have shifted the cultural time preferences and, broadly speaking, ruined music over the last few decades (at least American). A.I. isn't going away. How do we fix this? Is it even possible? Does Bitcoin fix this by turning technological deflation into monetary deflation (Bitcoin)? Do we have to just accept that music is no longer art, but software? Or do we change the concept of art to include any action taken by a human that involves another object or abstraction ksoftware)? Curious what others think.. #asknostr #nostr #nostriches #plebs #plebchain #grownostr #music #tunestr #ai #bitcoin #artstr #art #thoughtstr #economics
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Do we just have to technologically and culturally reset after some dark ages?
I have been thinking for some time that ai will or it already has taken over mainstream music
It’s already a kind of that. Most pop production sessions, from what I hear, start with listening to whatever is hot at that time. Then it’s a case of making something as similar as possible without drawing too many parallels as to get sued. Get a good or interesting person, whack a dollop of ottertune on it and put it out. There’s so much more I could write but it’s all pretty self evident. Universal execs are going to be very happy not to have to deal with musicians, producers and artists, they’ve always been a pain, what with all their opinions and feelings. Now their children play at music with prompts, like even more so than Mark Ronson.
Yeah I can understand. Since early hiphop we’ve known how bad the labels are. Rappers don’t stay quiet, they will speak truth without filter. With the internet, things changed… until the labels took over that too.
I spent a fair bit of time with Keith LeBlanc who was the drummer at Sugar Hill and cut a lot of the Fubky 4 Plus 1, Kool Moe Dee, Grandmaster Flash etc. Sylvia Robinson was very happy when drum machines became popular… a lot of drummers lost their jobs. Keith took a different path and became the most in demand programmer in New York. There’s always been culture shifts and talented people adapt, trouble is talented people don’t run Universal. Those folks make Suge Knight look like a pussy.
This made me think of https://youtu.be/kO9JuXTIMfM Not same but related
was watching this and had similar thoughts. many say music flourishes when everyone can create and share at ease, but I disagree. It only does as a market, not ad an art. The dedication necessary to explore creatively and reach higher highs must logically be reduced with the absence of effort, right? The Beatles were explorers in the studio, but they used tech of the time in unprecedented ways (i.e. downmixing/layering on tape) not standartization in form of plugins and presets. They fooled around, spend tons of time and effort and ok, were geniuses. which might have helped. I also agree with AI being inevitable, thus intensifying the devsluation of music as an artform. However, I don‘t think #Bitcoin has the potential to fix this (as of noe). Most bitcoiners right now seem to repeat any cultural dilemma the fiat-standard has gotten us into, with the only difference of holding bitcoin as an asset (to pay for all the greed of future-self). Actual rethinking of human action through bitcoin will take much longer than money deflation, I fear. By latest that time if not already, I guess music is dead.
I don't think it ruined music as art. The signal ratio just got reduced for most due to the commodization. As a consumer you now have access to an abundance of music for virtually free. As an artist you can now reach people all over the world for free but your music has to be substantially better to stand out or it'll get lost in the long tail of other artists trying to do the same. Nearly everything in life is also a power law distribution so having more music available means you as the consumer are more exposed to the long tail than ever before. It used to get filtered for you by not even being on the shelves, now it's on spotify because it costs them nothing to host and might earn them a penny in royalties eventually. So as a user you now need to actively filter a lot more to find the best stuff for you personally or just accept/drown in the mediocre recommendation of mainstream. The current crop of streaming services will get blockbuster'ed eventually by some new tech (built on nostr?) that connects suitable listeners and artists. Those adopting the new technology usually have an edge so I imagine we'll end up also having one of the top artists of this decade end up heavily relying on AI in an innovative way. As for artists surviving: Really successful artists can now make more money than at any time in history before. They're good. Everyone else that's in the long tail: adopting a #bitcoin standard (and being net producers) will allow them to save up money over years of working (even if it's just the occational local music gigs) and make them richer compared to what aspiring artists are scrapping by nowaways due to inflation - in turn giving them more time to experiment and improve their craft. Plus in a decade+ with new tech, artists will be able to hold private concerts for their fans (even if a small group & globally distributed) in VR which itself will earn them more than being rank 22,000 in spotify nowadays. Some of the upcoming conference tech is WILD. So building a strong community and cutting through the noise to reach the right target audience will be as important as ever but it's a twoway street - as a consumer you must also seek it out. Progress cannot be halted. Embrace it. 🫡