Oddbean

Another well known scientific fact is that vaccination is also about building immunity without developing full blown COVID and related respiratory complications after catching the full SARS-CoV2 virus/variants. The same principle for the influenza jab in building immunity without developing overwhelming pneumonia and other respiratory complications after catching the full influenza virus/es.

Apples and Oranges. The flu vaccinations have been around for a long time and were rigorously tested to be somewhat effective but even then they are many times not due to strain mutations. The covid vaxx is not even a vaccine in the proper sense and was rushed to market without ANY testing. Take it if you like but that shit ain't touching me or mine.

This is good news ! They are doing the right thing based on the evidence. Now you have to guard against confirmation bias thinking this is enough support for the bigger claims made to start this thread - that’s the hard part. Keep plugging away though, I’m rooting for you!

That is a conjecture not a fact. Anecdotally, from the small group of unvaccinated people I know... those of us who eat meat daily and get regular sunshine, caught covid once and it barely felt like a cold. Yet my vaccinated, boosted & sun and meat phobic friends and colleagues have had covid many times, and EVERY TIME they were bedridden for days! I knew three fit middle aged people who have "died suddenly" and one fit person who got turbo cancer leaving a young family behind. Tragic. Open your eyes.

Just for a different perspective, watch this Dr John Campbell video regarding use of Midazolam in aged care facilities during initial covid outbreak because it might just raise a bit of doubt before swallowing what you have been told. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3cqo9V2MzM This hits very close to home for me personally.

True, but the flu vaccine is a guessing game. Some years the efficacy has is as low as 35%. If you’re young and healthy it’s probably better from an immunological perspective to just get the flu on any given year. I personally don’t get flu shots, but might if age or illness pushed me into a risk demo where it made sense for me.

It is indeed a guessing game for influenza vaccines as the prevalence of each genera and type of flu virus varies throughout the year whilst their mutations/antigenic drifts also give rise to new strains. This highlights the beauty of the mRNA approach as it can be used to generate a protein antigen common to all the influenza variants (early dev days for that though). But I agree, if you’re young, healthy, know that you have no underlying conditions and your immune system is strong and there is clear prior understanding of the action mechanism of the virus (which is not always clear if the virus is novel) then arguably no need for a vaccination (although anyone can develop pneumonia). The anti-vax game changes if/when a novel virus evolves/mutates into one that spreads both easily with a very low survival rate across all age groups. Not beyond the realms of possibility and indeed may be one reason for species extinctions in the past.

I’m still not comfortable with mRNA, maybe that will change with subsequent generations of the technology. Right now though I think it’s wide-scale roll out during Covid 19 was one of the largest medical mal practice events in recent history.

I’m more comfortable with it as the “tech” behind it (RNA therapeutics) formed a part of my research studies in the 90s although I later focused on neuroscience and then electron microscopy/biomechanics - as a side note, I’ve prepped and viewed viruses directly so anyone (not you) saying they don’t exist highly amuses me. The roll-out was indeed quicker than before and one can argue there was a need to be quick (novel virus, how lethal was it?, transmission speed, etc) and mRNA vaccine dev is inherently quicker. Indeed, mRNA vaccines were developed for MERS and Rabies a decade ago in a very short time, too, and a lot of the efficacy and safety research/groundwork started back then. I disagree with your final statement as it ignores the prior research already done, the accelerated research and trialling that was being done, the circumstances at the time, and is made in hindsight. But we can’t agree on everything.

Lots of buyers remorse and revisionist history with the fauci ouchy Few will admit it was a bad idea. With excess mortality literally being off the chart and so many ppl dying suddenly I would be in denial too