Oddbean

@mleku @Sasha You guys we have a philosophical difference here. I'm not really concerned in which way will I dye or which way the humanity will go to hell. I'm not arguing anything you wrote @mleku, I just thing I have bigger chances to get hit by a car tomorrow or get a terminal disease from pollution in our air and food than to be lucky enough to dye of some cosmic scheme. Also I believe in deterministic universe so what needs to happen will happen. Also I refuse to be afraid of things that I can't influence. Also I am only concerned with things that affect my life, I like to make things work weather it's fixing an old radio or optimizing heating with a home miner. Philosophizing about digital stuff being real is fine, but only provided that the other party is aware of at least high school physics and is able to express ones thoughts in scientific language. @Sasha "Do not ask weather the statement is true until you know what it means" -Errett Bishop @mleku Thank you for sharing your thoughts and resources, I will listen to the five hours of Jack Kruse and Andrew Huberman on Rick Rubin's podcast. (listed to the first hour already, sounds legit.)

Determinism assumes that truth is static and real, which can’t be the case because everything vibrates. I would say determinism is mostly the case but only within a single observational spacial point, the future and past cannot be fully observed and thus cannot be deterministic

Wtf has nothing to do with vibration or “truth” I believe that every physical event has a consequence that is determined by laws of physics, as such every state is a consequence of a previous state in other words DETERMINED by the previous state. I do not have guesses where the starting point was but everything what followed was determined by the starting state. Put in a sprinkle of multiverse theory and everything that can happen has happened. Biological bodies are part of physical realm hence no free will. Please don’t mistaken this to nihilism.

what i just wrote before about the combinatorial complexity of states, this is even more the case as we are talking about the positions of gazillions of molecules and tehir associated particles (photons, electrons, protons, etc etc) they only become predictable given control of their mixing within specific narrow conditions of their state space reaction equilibrium, for example, relates to the level of energy lost in the transformation, and the energy required to undo this transformation - if you put too much energy in, it can go to other states instead again, some of it doesn't do all the same thing, this is why purification is always a key step in chemistry... even 0.1% contamination can completely stop a reaction from taking place

i think it is logically impossible for a product of a system to model the system itself with enough precision to really see ethe future beyond a certain degree of detail of the states of the system so it's not that it isn't predictable, it can't be predicted by us by God yes, not by us, nor anything within this universe

in order to make the effort to do any science at all you have to make the assumption that the system's parameters can be contained such that you can artificially cause an effect to occur it is illogical to assume that you can't do this and the advance of science is entirely about discovering the conditions of replication, and has not ceased to allow us to uncover new things for thousands of years at least

i work with 256 bit large integers all the time with my code and the number that they can count is more than the estimated number of atoms in the universe almost everything in the physical universe has more state space, so, determinism in the sense of reproducability requires you to massively narrow down the possible states of a phenomena to funnel it through the one you want to recur, and it's not ever really a perfect repetition

i've done a lot of experiments and self-observation regarding free will, it's a paradox the entire phenomenon of learning is based on making decisions to respond in one way or another from what i know of number theory it's just so far beyond predictable what it will do that it is effectively not possible to predict much of it you really can't compare any two given experiences with each other because they simply are not the same

i think it's not that it isn't deterministic, but rather that it cannot be simulated accurately within the same system and thus is impossible to predict to any meaningful degree beyond some time horizon

glad you found huberman and kruse interesting, they both know their stuff, and it's a bit off the mainstream health map, but of course - lots of money in wireless networks, it's big tobacco all over again if you ask me in any case it's gonna be a moot point if the intensity of geomagnetic storms continues to escalate over the next 20 years, no radio will be working after another carrington event, lots of power wires catching fire, and all that it's not about being afraid, it's being realistic - make a trajectory to be ready to go steam age for a decade possibly, and maybe consider moving somewhere far from the sea when i realised that we really are looking at impending geomagnetic chaos - and you can see this by an uptick in whale beachings and problems with aircraft navigation systems now for almost a decade, there is no question that something bad is in the pipes i think it could be terminal, but i'm just gonna assume it's steam age for a decade and work on that basis i like food cooked with fire anyway

yeah, i've tested it... outside in bright sunshine, a photo of my face all you see when you crank up the brightness is the lenses become mirrors, because they are blocking all light the camera is receiving through from the inside