Oddbean new post about login | logout Ok, so you have no empathy. No judgement. Just observation. Is it possible that not all bullies run away? That bullies may bring along more bullies? Is it possible that sometimes a person cannot fight back? This isn’t elementary school. Out in the real word people and groups can be outmatched. Asking for help isn’t a crime.
if i see a bully picking on you its my duty to help as it is yours to help me or any other member of the community so afflicted. This is not the schoolground. There are far less random 6 year old mindsets wandering about. However there are habitual line steppers who, if not sternly rebuked by the community members that encounter it, wreak havoc in a community. That is the purpose of community. so that no one stands alone or at the mercy of the bureaucracy.
None of your answers address my first question. Ask your female family members (or any females) how often they get harassed. Then ask any males. See if there is a difference. If there is a difference, maybe we should ask why. Then maybe we should ask what we can do about it.
I am the only boy in my immediate generation. I have been raised by and around women my entire lives. I have two grown up daughters. I dont have to ask. I watch them handle their business. They taught me to handle mine. There is a difference. The ladies in my family have a community of family at their back. they can be bold in rebuffing anything. That is the goal. A community. not a bunch of individuals who snitch on each other to a nanny state. but as i said different strokes. Now about the question of why you need to attack me personally. Please answer the other note. I would like to keep my personal issue with your bad bmanners and behaviour separate to the topic at hand but need it resolved.
While a community is being built, there are lots of people already being harassed. What happens to them? How are they supposed to deal with it? And that’s assuming it is a community that will support them. What if it’s not?
ok tell you what. anyone who is being harassed just send me a note and ill come deal with it with great hilarity and much clowning. Thats what community is for. Call me. Ill come to the little internet beefs. This is not hard. just need people to act with some honor and defend their community members. Understand though. I dont care if you are man woman or child. If you call me on some bullshit drama nonsense that is no threat just noise, then imma cuss you when I'm done with them. No snitching needed. Just holler at your boy. I bet there aint nothin goin on in the hood. all this noise. I wanna see. Call me.
Ok jokers imma calll your bluff. Call me when there is harassment. I wanna see. Ill cuss them for you if you cant. Let's see what you got. nostr:note1926xn5vwnag8qp3hawaa50pc5uzjjdk9k3nf8v0q295tg74hum2slrkw7u
I have still had no takers. Please call me to see this harassment. I am starting to believe is not as common as claimed. I am here will come help. send me a note. nostr:note1g7vet9ytt3w7gqfq9m5cn5cr0tk703l346f9xc0fkly6lulra4ustld34g
Is anyone being harassed as yet? please let me know if you or anyone you know is being harassed. I would like to at least stand up for you. someone must need help. I have been told repeatedly that there are a band of harassers that require censorship because of their level of extreme harassing. Someone must have seen them. Please contact me if you do. nostr:note1g7vet9ytt3w7gqfq9m5cn5cr0tk703l346f9xc0fkly6lulra4ustld34g
This is the answer to harassment? Ok.
yes. people willing to stand up for you means bullies and predators dont pick you as the weak one. its the loners and shook that get ate. as you said this is the real world. Are you going to answer for you bad behaviour in the other thread? As I said uncalled for and I want to understand why you would behave like that to a community member.
I am not harassable. so stand behind me and i will tell the harassers to go away. This is a simple concept. Call me when there is harassment.
Excellent. You should promote yourself that way to people who ask for better tools to deal with harassment. They will be so thankful.
I am from a community of strong women. my perspective has proof of work. now the personal. you are getting more and more ascerbicly sarcastic. Its the kind of thing that people do to exert soft power in a social interaction. I am immune. I want to know why you continue to be so rude and unpleasant though. it is uncalled for.
key difference in our perspective. I have no need to promote myself. I am just fine where I am. My need is to not dishonor myself and if there are community members being so harassed and accosted then it is my duty to defend them. do you not grok? people to defend you is better than not. this is not hard bro.
I like this plan. Let everyone being harassed or who might be harassed know that you will be their defender. Or tell them they need to build a community to have their back. This will definitely solve the issues. You are right bro, it’s not hard at all.
i am not the only defender. Others will come. Always do. If not then this is not a community. Its just a bunch of individuals who are unaccountable to each other.
There are plenty of bad things that happen to communities from the outside. The solution is not always the community can handle it. Is that out of the realm of possibility?
The community is only a community if they stand for each other. Otherwise whoever comes to defend you from the outside becomes your master. There are whole treatises written about the dangers of using mercenary strength for defense. the TLDR is dont if you dont have to because they sometimes just stay when the battle is done. Better to call on you community until there is no other option.
Of course no wants to do it this way, but it may be necessary for some. If that is not acceptable, that’s fine, but we need to realize this space may be open to everyone but it’s not usable for everyone.
then its not useable for everyone. Like everything else. What's wrong with that? Thats what a community is. Is a defined entity with an inside and an outside. otherwise not a community like i said. just loosely clustered but diffuse individuals.
Yup, nothing wrong at all, nothing at all.
Thats not an answer bro. You just snarked me again instead of addressing what was said. please stop that if you can. it makes the conversation difficult.
Unless you think we can create a global all inclusive that serves everyone well community???? thats the WEF solution and it was every dictator and technocrats solution that I can think of as well. This is the slippery slope. Decentralized community care and defense or centralized top down authority. Its why the constitution makes space for militias. Its why many states have citizen armies. I am not proposing some new concept here. Just old fashioned take care of your own.
and in the mean time. if anyone picks on you just holler. I will come stand beside, behind or in front of you as requested.
You sounding like a hippie, Pepe, with all this community talk. But I like hippies. So we cool. I got yo back. nostr:note16agk99qj4zvvjm28epuj09r3xfgx2nzs5yy0a5rg0hvd58qt623qem07xd
Haha figured I'd see you here eventually. All quiet. Keep an eye out and ask everyone if they are being harassed. I need to see this mob of marauding harassers that demand immediate censorship.
It took me a second but I caught the sarcasm. again. why? its unnecessary.
the last few messages from you have been content free except for insinuations and casual negging. I am fine ending the conversation if you are out of content for it. You don not have the right to continuously be rude and snarky with out it being commented on though.
See how you hve nothing else snarky or rude to say? thats what happens when you confront bad behaviour head on. Eventually the offending party acts right or goes away. I hope youy dont go away. Ithink you mean well and am not your enemy. But If we want a community then we have to treat each other with some respect. Be well bro.
Sorry, I don’t have notifications turned on and I’m not constantly on nostr checking for replies so I can immediately respond. My bad. My perspective is there are lots of experiences, and hear me out, it’s possible that we need different tools to address them. Building such tools does not mean censorship.
it does if they are not at the client and 100% in user control. any other way creates information chokepoints as well as areas of centralized authority over information. It is inevitable that these will be abused at some point. It always is. Its just human nature. If you are in and have the data then you will use it. Similar to how meta just got busted hi jacking encryption keys so that they could spy on competitors by man in the middling their own service. so put an llm on the client to prechew the feed and learn your preferences and move on. There is no need for central authority. The edge has enough compute to deal with this
again with the snark
and answer the other note please
That first note was about the topic at hand. this one is personal. You began your reply with an ad hominem. You said I have no empathy or judgement. That is a terrible thing to say to someone. why do you feel the need to attack me? I wont be afraid or cower so no point but am curious. Why the attack. next . "This isnt elementary school" is a jab at my maturity level. This is unnecessary and hostile behaviour. Be better.