Oddbean new post about login | logout Pokey notifications :)
nostrudel is pretty fast at showing them most of the time too
But this one came in when I was not using the phone :)
Our notifications are good too Vitor haha. But in response to your note. I think we are very far from having ppl want that many apps. We need nostr to be ‘good’ at the most base level first. You’re doing great work there along with others but it’s gonna be a long road. Ppl are lazy and also hesitant to download apps they don’t understand. Our focus in 2025 is going to be finding those ppl, getting them on-boarded from a base level and then hopefully they find other micro apps eventually that they can use.
Makes sense. But most nostr users already have more than 3 apps installed. So, it's not really that far out. It won't be long until we see 10+ apps. And then, it will jump very quickly.
What’s your source on that 3 apps installed info?
Just from what users tell me. Fountain is onboarding a lot of people. Vast majority of users have 2 kind 1 clients installed. Amber is really common now.
Honestly, and I’ll say this as nicely as possible (doing my best not to sound like a doomer or ungrateful to the devs), Nostr apps first need a serious boost in quality. While I appreciate Nostr’s focus on future user experience, there’s a considerable amount of technical debt in existing apps. I’d much prefer a handful of well-functioning apps over 30 or even 100 buggy ones struggling to integrate with each other.
True. I don't think most of our current apps will survive the micro app dominion. The best apps today already have too much technical debt and are falling behind most of the new ones in terms of architecture. That's kinda the point of smaller apps, they can easily be replaced by new tech stacks.
I'm not sure about this. Users will read about Nostr and end up trying something like Nostrudel, Primal, Damus, or Amethyst. If they encounter bad UX, they’ll bounce and likely won’t come back. If we don’t build a solid experience today, there won’t be enough users willing to try all of the “micro apps” for Nostr. At the very least, we need a functional, pleasant, easy-to-use Twitter clone. Just look at ActivityPub software: as much as I like Peertube, Lemmy, Pixelfeed, etc., it’s the plain, “boring” Mastodon that really brings users into the ecosystem. As for downloading multiple micro apps, like a “Signer,” “Local Relay,” and “Notification Receiver” just to use “Twitterst,” “TickTockstr,” or “Spotifiestr”… I don’t think that’s going to fly with anyone outside the dev community. Bundle or no bundle, there’s very little incentive for the average person to jump through all these hoops. But, as always, I’m happy to be proven wrong.
I don't disagree on the solid experience. But that doesn't need to be centralized in massive apps. In fact, I will say that there is no point in building nostr at all if in the end all we have is a few apps that control everything because they are the only ones with good experience.