Oddbean new post about login | logout Something libertarians are clueless about. Free speech is the most important part of a free market. Just because I don’t believe a state authority should have the ability to threaten you does not mean I have to like or condone your behavior. If you see something you don’t like say it and say it loudly. Free speech is the lubricant that keeps markets free and functional.
What makes you say they're clueless?
There are many things LARPetarians are clueless about
IIRC, @knutsvanholm sees it differently, something like: the need for free speech laws indicates that there is an underlying property right violation elsewhere. Been looking for his podcast appearances where he talks about it more in depth, but haven’t found it yet.
unpopular opinion, decentralized use of violence is good, market figure out to advantage good peaceful people. If theres a pedophile in your community and you have proofs of him having acted with kids, you need to say it loudly and then beat him, even kill him if touched something near your family.
18 years in the Army gave me the right to speak about free speech. 🎤 That said … anyone in the world has FREE SPEECH Even lies. Hence why humanity will always seek truth.
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Private ownership and voluntary exchange of the means of production is as important as free speech for the functioning of a free market. This is how a libertarian would approach Nostr: Property rights, a principle of non-aggression and voluntary exchange are considered to be the priority. Relay operators can choose to reject notes from certain npubs because they have spent their time, energy and resources to set one up, which makes it their property. The only way a relay can be connected to is by voluntary aggrement. No coercion can be applied as Nostr doesn't allow that. You can set a relay up on your phone using citrine and orbot and use the outbox model to broadcast your notes, which people can make a choice about receiving. Which brings us to clients. Clients are the property of developers as they have spent time, energy and resources to develop them. They can either charge for it or make it free. They can also choose to block certain people from using them. Nobody can force them to do so because Nostr prevents that. Both relay operators and clients are well within their rights to charge people for using their services if they want to, as its their property and they have spent their time, energy and resources to build set up their services. The Nostr protocol itself is a public good, as it is non-exclusionary and non-rivalrous. (Fiatjaf and other contributors deserve a lot of praise for keeping it this way.) Anyone can create new relays and clients and use the protocol in any way they see fit. Clients and relays can make their source code open source, which deserves praise but their time, energy and resources are limited and they have to be compensated by someone for their effort. What Nos and its users are doing is making a choice of using the protocol in a way they see fit. It's the property of the client developers. And users have voluntarily agreed to use it. (This can be applied to Twitter as well. Elon and his shareholders are using their property in a way they see fit and people are using it voluntarily. TCP/IP and the internet stack however is a public good, for which the developers deserve a lot of praise.)
Free speech is a way to respect the rights of minorities and their opinions which might otherwise be silenced by the tyranny of the majority. It protects against tyranny. Don’t let the government control speech and manipulate information. Be FREE 🫡
Well put! 🙏
I think the one thing libertarians are clueless about more than anything else, is liberty!
It’s the “who will build the roads” argument, just dressed up a bit different. “If government doesn’t suppress bad speech, who will?” Same answer: It doesn’t matter. Coercively controlling speech is evil and consequentialism doesn’t justify its use.
We must be talking/listening to different libertarians. As a libertarian myself, I agree that free speech includes the freedom to oppose people's behavior.
You make no sense. Libertarians are the strongest supporters of absolute free speech.
Some are. Some aren’t.
Of they don't support free speech they're not Libertarian, they're infiltrators.
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