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 Thanks for the answer:) Is there a nip? 
 https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/pull/1589

But I'm moving towards compatibility with NIP 29, so take it as a historical artifact. 
 Are you suggesting NIP-29 should support both traditional nip-29 groups and relay-based groups? These seem like fundamentally different concepts. Aren’t they? 
 > compatibility with NIP 29

How? 
 I opened a few PRs that should allow me to retrofit relay-based groups onto NIP 29:

https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/pull/1604
https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/pull/1601
https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/pull/1602
https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/pull/1603 
 Are you planning a tgfn episode about relay-based groups? 
 I don't like interviewing myself, but I'll think about it 
 that’s something id listen to. 👍