Oddbean

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 @3fe52772 One of my favourite teachings on this was a Rabbi on the intrinsic goodness of the atheist.  I'm paraphrasing a longish teaching here, but that the religious does what they do for fear of loss of favour, or doctrine, or desire to please the divine.  The atheist does good simply because it is the right thing to do.

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 @fcbf5051 @3fe52772 As a Jew, I have to disagree about the religious doing things out of fear of the divine. We have nothing to fear from G-d in Judaism, unless I am entirely oblivious and just risking myself on a daily basis

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 @dbd17de6 @3fe52772 I am not a Jew and would completely defer to your knowledge of Judaism and its teachings.

Probably blame my poor phrasing, because my own personal exegesis was that the religious person has other things that factor into their decision making, even though they may also simply want to do the right thing.  I think the teaching was more to illustrate the fact that the athiest has nothing else that factors in.

Again, not my tradition so I defer to those for whom it is.

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 @fcbf5051 @3fe52772 Well Rabbis often disagree with one another -- but yeah, I see the point about Atheism. Jews are generally a live and let live bunch, except amongst themselves, LOL

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 @dbd17de6 @fcbf5051 @3fe52772 
I'm sorry but even a remote familiriaty with the Torah will give you many instances when g-d smites the stiff necked people of Israel for what look like pretty minor things

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 @04a10faa @fcbf5051 @3fe52772 well I'm certainly not concerned about it today lol, stiff necked or not

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 @04a10faa @fcbf5051 @3fe52772 "remote familiarity" LOL go snark someone else

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 @dbd17de6 @fcbf5051 @3fe52772 did job have reason to fear g-d ?

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 @04a10faa @fcbf5051 @3fe52772 no thanks, not being tested on Job today. derrr get a life