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 you have to trust the relay, there’s no way around that.

I’ve looked into other mechanisms:

- undeniable signatures 
- delegate keys that you leak occasionally after some epoch

But they are somewhat complicated. This is a dumb yet simple alternative 
 I think the delegate key approach is way safer, but people don’t like delegations 🤷‍♂️ 
 It's not like people don't like, but more that it's though to coordinate all clients to support it in a consistent way. 
 All going hate is really smart, and that’s where that ship titanics 
 There have been plenty of people who have expressed explicit distaste for it @fiatjaf @semisol @PABLOF7z @Cameri and probably more i’m forgetting. I think someone even tried to remove it as a nip if I remember correctly. 
 I thought Pablo was the one to propose it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I haven't followed the discussion but imagine the distaste boils down to the added complexity all while not being a perfect solution. If nostr were centralize, this wouldn't be a concern since we could shove key delegation down everyone's throats. 
 yes this is the concern, and it complicates relay implementations. It was originally created by the cto at minds.com as a way they can transition to use nostr, but i don’t think they pushed that very hard and they seem to have lost interest 
 I didn't propose it, I was an advocate for it -- we even did a panel with @KeithMukai  at Nostrica for it.

The closer I got to it the more I realize it was a very problematic NIP.

I think NIP-46 is the right way of doing "delegation" as it's equivalent to taking complexity offchain
 
 I think revocation is needed, and more thinking on the spec 
 nostr:nevent1qqstxfs92x47k4y67jtm8lhj3uckyzramkpsth9mstdpf0ee3jz2myqpzamhxue69uhkummnw3ezu6rpde4ksatz9ehx2aqzyprmuze238a25e4u2l6uv7fqxjrd53txq22uk0dnctec7jlgmzqkuqcyqqqqqqg7u95l6 
 nostr:nevent1qqstxfs92x47k4y67jtm8lhj3uckyzramkpsth9mstdpf0ee3jz2myqpzamhxue69uhkummnw3ezu6rpde4ksatz9ehx2aqzyprmuze238a25e4u2l6uv7fqxjrd53txq22uk0dnctec7jlgmzqkuqcyqqqqqqg7u95l6 
 Trust the relay?!? ... meeeeh 
 Yeah this would make more sense for things like running a relay for some sensitive work project where its your own relay and you really don’t want to leak anything. It’s a bit niche. 
 Cool idea for this purpose. Niche is good 🤙🔥