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Kajoozie Maflingo | 1 years ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 So IS CSAM being hosted directly on the nostr relays?
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PsychoVagabondX | 1 years ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 It's certainly being served up by Nostr applications, distributed through messages and allowing the tipping between pedos on the platform. Most of the services also use some form of image proxy too, which means that every time they serve a CSAM image they are "making indecent images" as under the law, creating and serving a copy is making an image.

By the way, it's funny how a minute about you were going "this is bullshit" but withing one post you've already turned into a pedo apologist, trying to justify why CSAM should not be removed from the platform.

You're sick. Seek help you fucking freak.
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Kajoozie Maflingo | 1 years ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 So no. The relays don't host it.  The clients simply render images.  And you'd rather control the clients and relays than go after the file hosts.  Smart!

I have been here for months.  I've not come across any of it.  Nor have I seen anybody  support it.  

What I have seen is assholes saying the government should have a built in killswitch to censor speech they don't like under the guise of protecting the children.

That is your solution right?  Allow the state to kill clients or relays arbitrarily, and then hope they don't use that power for their own benefit, right?

Very smart!
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PsychoVagabondX | 1 years ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 I'd rather child sexual assault material is removed from the network and pedos are not able to use it to distribute and tip each other for content. That means going after hosts of images, relays serving the content (oh and FYI, it is entirely possible for relays to host images directly).

Not only have I reported apps to the IWF and seen multiple people supporting it, you took all of one comment to shift to a position that you're defending networks distributing it.

I think all networks should abide by the national laws in the jurisdictions they operate in. I think that by refusing to censor anything, the future of Nostr is at threat because no normal person is going to stick around contributing to platforms that enable pedos and other abhorrent users. 

So I think that ultimately if you stick to you "censor nothing" guns then this platform will do the same as every other decentralized platform and end up as a circlejerk of a few hardcore supporters and a bunch of people too abhorrent to go anywhere else.

Remember, normal people don't have the same incentive to seek out a zero censorship platform because most of them don't have a problem on regular social media platforms as they don't spread illegal content. I've never once been banned from any social media platform.

I think the state will kill clients and relays anyway, and when you support them distributing CSAM you make it significantly easier for government to do so. If you really wanted to stand up to government overreach you'd try to stay within the law so that at least you can get public support. But if Nostr relays and apps get pulled into court for distributing CSAM don't expect people cheering for your side besides NAMBLA supporters.