@c721880c sometimes, yes. The conscripts I knew had no sense of that. Either naked racism, or just going with the flow. But the trauma and the pain were real. Seeing friends pass out from excessive PT, the mental break downs, the abuse of power. For every 1 soldier in the front line, there are 9 in support. No sense of purpose, just plodding, waiting to get out, to be able carry on with life. It was very close to a jail sentence. 

 @a344ae77 i have a feeling that it's different for professional armies