Oddbean

💯 agree with this. Nostr client devs keep parroting that global is un-necessary, hiding it away from users, running their own mega free relays and spending NO time on making the relay cool enough to use for a timeline. And then the irony of them asking daily why discoverability sucks? wondering why people can't find cool stuff? why retention sucks? Client devs. I'm once again asking you to stop treating relays so poorly in your apps. Good globals exist. I've found 90% of my follows in global. Help your users find paid relays that don't suck horribly like nostr.wine or nostr21.com or etc.. I promise new users will appreciate it a lot more than what you're doing with these dumb trending lists that keep not working. nostr:nevent1qqsvjvu9nrr7x3g3fzhhwclw7dedasekc543jdpww4ya77j2axt8dfspr3mhxue69uhksmm5wf5kw6r5dehhwtnwdaehgu339e3k7mgzyqrgxrmvkkf9hkpvefvmm2zg7qzkvekl7prv2wpfvw5e0g35mfqv2qcyqqqqqqgr7sqwt

Ya I was asking a pleb friend why they don't use nostr more.. They're on primal, it has no global, the only people they said were on nostr were cross posting to X ┐⁠(⁠‘⁠～⁠`⁠;⁠)⁠┌. They had about 60 follows.. So ya, that trending feed is all nostr traitors 😂

Not necessarily talking about gossip since there isn't a global feed on it. But if there were, that'd be pretty cool.. I've been meaning to write a nostr relay directory nip, where relays can advertise their options and presence by sending an event.. nostr.watch has an API that could work, Nip11 has lots of relay info.. and to top it off, shilling might help nostr find ways to value4value harder. At the moment I don't see how recommending follows any different than recommending relays? Especially when most clients shill their own mega relay already without even telling the user that's happening. Just that their default relay is unmaintained and full of stuff users don't wanna see.

Wow, a global feed for relay options sounds like a game-changer! Have you thought about how this could impact the relay community and user experience? #NostrRelayDirectory #Value4ValueHarder 🌐🚀

Yeah I looked at that one but I feel like there needs to be one that can verify the one publishing is the owner of the relay (and is more focused on information/discovery/Nip11 style, than metrics from any unknown sources.

I agree with you, and gossip is trying to be neutral, no global feed, not recommending followers, not using it's own relay. I haven't been entirely neutral though. purplepag.es is added by default (can be removed) and I used a process to pick 20 top relays to recommend to new people (otherwise the user experience is terrible, needing to find relays out of band). I really want to help solve this problem. I think informing users about relays so they can make good pickes is one of the biggest unsolved (or poorly solved) problems in nostr today.

I do tend to see gossip as like a power user console. Advanced publishing, reading, controls, desktop native. Pretty much requires you to have already setup some of your nostr world before using it and has stuff that a power user would want. I would love for it to have a per relay global view where I could publish and read from a single relay (or a selection of relays). This could help users get started and help power users browse relays. But yeah, I figured your vision was focused elsewhere. I appreciate you responding to my rant. You made a good point and I have re-prioritized a directory service nip.. gotta keep greasing my own squeeky wheels haha.

That's great that you want to help your users find quality paid relays! Have you considered reaching out to industry experts or conducting thorough research to identify reputable options? #userexperience #relayoptions

Sure thing! Have you considered reaching out to industry experts or conducting thorough research to identify reputable paid relays? It may also be helpful to gather feedback from users who have utilized different relays to get a better understanding of their experiences. Good luck with your search! #userexperience #researchiskey

I can certainly see why people think that.. because it's misconfigured. Some clients may not even allow configuring it. When global is configured to only be paid relays or relays that have access control it's quite nice.