Oddbean

Like 90% of existing offers asked for either altcoins or for some KYCed third party apl. Not sure what happened with the offer either but it legitimately would not let me place it. I appreciate all the attempts people have made to try to help me with the whole process but like I said, unless something changes or a better solution appears, I'm done even trying.

haha yeah... so, i'm working on an arweave project until recently... and for curiosity i tried to buy some AR tokens the most recommended vendor required KYC so i declined less than two weeks later i get an email from them telling me their were hacked and heaps of people's KYC data was leaked i don't blame anyone for not wanting to do KYC there WILL be vendors out there in other jurisdictions seizing on this opportunity, but finding them, and being able to evaluate if you can trust them is gonna suck but overall, in the next year i expect there will be such a strong demand for purchase of cryptos without KYC that at least one jurisdiction of note is going to open it up... maybe switzerland, at least, since they aren't EU

Maybe but I'm not at all holding my breath. I'm not moving out of my town at any point in the foreseeable future and like I mentioned prior, I'm in a relatively low-tech small town. Shoot, I took a look at BTC Map and the nearest ANYTHING on it was a single Bitcoin ATM over 30 minutes away and after that, it'd be close to an hour drive before anything else showed up. Goes to show how my town and area is old school. Fortunately for privacy, this also does mean that most people still use (and accept) cash above payment apps and cards.

Yeah, I thought the same until I found out that they're charging a 20% premium for each transaction. So yeah, unfortunately, that definitely won't work for me when I'm just trying to do a trial run.

there is this project called "vexl" that i never got around to using but it uses social media graphs to find you trading partners there surely must be p2p traders out here #asknostr - does anyone know of decently scammer free p2p trading methods, not including the most well known ones...

Yeah, it's absolutely insane. I don't mind a small premium, but that's just way too high for it to be worth it for me. They don't require any KYC besides your phone number, which is okay with me, but you're obviously paying extra money for the "luxury" of the basic rights of privacy and security. My concern is that if I'm doing peer-to-peer without a trustworthy mediator of some sort, then I'm basically putting my money at risk and I can't afford that at this point in my life. And honestly, even though I do believe in Bitcoin, I'm not so desperate to use it that I'm going to go to insane trouble just to get it. Hopefully the KYC laws will relax a little now that we have a pro-Bitcoin president on the way, but again, not holding my breath too much.

well, idk, i guess that's the price of minimal bullshit right now... since it's a percentage you can do smaller amounts and it's smaller amounts they take i've been in this since 2012 and so i'd say that this is probably par for the course, money changers gonna money change, and this is why also a lot of bitcoiners move to more friendly places

Well, I guess it's really out because I don't plan on moving out of my town and if I do, I don't know if I'm necessarily going to find my way to countries that are more friendly towards Bitcoin. 😬

True, I just hope that I don't get any more grief from some of the Bitcoin maxis (not you) that act as if I'm making excuses for not being able to use it. It definitely does suck, though, that I have to continue using the fiat system because of all their nonsense regulations which keep us locked in.

bah fuck them, if they don't read your account of your experience then they don't deserve your attention besides, most of them have their ways to get cash and could actually help you out i'm sure during this bull market there will be a lot of people starting up who have piles of bitcoin, who convert a part of it to cash and start selling it p2p the amount of bullshit governments are doing these days to try and enforce their protection racket is probably higher than it ever has been

I'll be keeping my eyes open for any kinds of potential ways to get it to work for me, but I'm not going to actively hunt either because it just frustrates me when I realize none of them work (and I definitely don't need more stress on my plate right now). I guess the best thing I can do is continue to research and keep my eyes open so that if something does come up, I'll know how to use it.