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 @2a70c54d I'd say about 40 years.  man, remember when everyone pointed to the VA as a model of how universal healthcare could follow people and be way more effective? and then W defunded it? 
 @2c46aa33 I know, I know. But I was talking about the rise of the Tea Party and the Occupy movement and how and when they came about. That 40 year plan ( really a bit longer, think Southern Strategy) got accelerated quite a but over the last 15 years. 
 @2a70c54d @2c46aa33 Meanwhile, the Democratic party has also been breaking things from their end for decades, but nowadays they get to shout "only Republicans would complain about that!" if we dare to notice. 
 @3223f83d @2c46aa33 oh, I don't absolve the dems of blame at all. Mostly because they knew about the Southern Strategy but didn't develop a counter-strategy at all.