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 Ugh I should stop using shakepay, but its the only way I can actually use my bitcoin in the real world. I don’t trade, but I do sell lots to pay bills. 
 Bull Bitcoin and Bitcoin Well let you sell BTC directly to pay off bills and also eTransfer withdrawals 
 “That is why we ask for minimum personal information and offer no-KYC payment services for amounts below $1000.”

Looks like its still kyc though. Maybe need to get serious and use robosats/bisq more. 
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 Shakepay is 100% KYC though? 

Bull Bitcoin lets you do a lot of stuff without KYC.  
 Right, im looking for Shakepay alternatives. Going to try using robosats more. Last time I tried there wasn’t much liquidity 
 I don't think you can use robosats to pay bills though? Just buy/sell BTC

Localbitcoins used to be my jam. Bisq and robosats had garbage liquidity when I tried them 3 months ago. Hardly more than 20k CAD of depth before +/- 10% swings 
 True Robosats has low liquidity, but will only improve if we all use it, even small amounts for now :) 
 I was the only seller on the site, $1000 over lightning. It took a bit but it worked. No kyc. Promising. 
 Nice, you can get away with charging a bit of a premium for non-kyc sats if there is no competition 
 I think @ray and civkit team are on to something where there is an underlying protocol for all the ethical p2p btc marketplaces, where nostr plays the nym and coordination layer. Maybe if robosats, bisq, hodhodl etc built on a common protocol there could be increased liquidity. 

nostr:note1udl46m72u4hxgdue7gtp7vw3eaze52k4tr53ds52a49e490pazwqwl8s0y 
 Right, can’t pay bills, a p2p platform to buy/sell