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CappyNate🍁 | 5 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 A good social network needs:

-Feed curation (think TikTok)
-Push Notifications
-Creator rewards (think YT)
-Relay rewards

-Stable monetization (subscriptions and donations don't work, ads do.)

Build around this and put users in control. Even reward users for viewing ads. Let them control how much ad injection they want, with paid opt-out. Split revenue with creators to attract new creators and their tribes.

Split revenue with relays. Without relays, Nostr collapses. The client gets the traffic so it falls on them to steer the ship.
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Marakesh 𓅦 | 5 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 Good stuff! I think it would be great if there were even financial incentives (instead of disincentives) to run relays, because it could be profitable, instead of a cost burden. Then you would likely get more of them, which should be good for the network, and #Nostr would be even more uncensorable.
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CappyNate🍁 | 5 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +2 
 Bingo. There's a perverse FOSS obsession that's hurting Nostr. Profit motive works. Bitcoin miners make money, why the hell wouldn't Nostr Relays?

Either directly as a percent of ad revenue.

Or by tokenization. 

Subscriptions don't work on social networks though. So it can't be pay-per-use. 

But relays are the key to the whole thing. Setting up a relay should be as easy as installing an EXE and taking 20 seconds of setup time.
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Marakesh 𓅦 | 5 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Yeah, I've heard of the expectation of getting things for "free" as being part of the fiat, Web 2.0 mindset.

I'm no fan of a subscription model either, but I think I could get with a pay per use model, which I don't see as the same exact thing. Like if I want to read a particular article or note/post, I might be willing to pay for that with a micro-payment of a few sats, possibly. I'm not sure, though, because it hasn't really been tested, to my knowledge.
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mleku | 5 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 that's a negative on the toxicanization but subscriptions wth guys

i'm doing my bit to make this a thing anyhow... it's not in my current work exactly but i've got pieces in place ready to do a full authed DM based CLI that will enable paying for subscriptions and no out of band website bullcrap, 100% pure #nostr

also, pay per use on a prepaid basis can work, but it has to be fairly flexible, i haven't even started to actually make a measure of what traffic actually happens, would be good to actually have accounting of how much event data actually is pulled by a client per npub and figure out a scheme for making that work

the time based subscription is probably adequate but it could be purely data based