I think part of the issue is a lot of (white) guys, even here, don't understand how attractive they are so they put themselves out there in a way that detracts anywhere up to 5 points off their attractiveness, which makes it so they can't pull off being retarded and hot. You need to pull out the big dick energy and as long as you aren't too retarded you can get away with anything and pull women like crazy. 

 Yeah this is why a good wingman is important. Women will cave to social pressure immediately. If you're into nerd old man shit like painting plastic robots and building model trains a woman WILL listen to you sperg about it and WILL think it's cool if your friend Chad Thundercock says you're a good dude with interesting hobbies. 

 This works doublely well if she's also into sperg nerd shit
"Wow, he's into weird nerd shit AND he has cool friends?"
Literally doing this right now 

 These things were well understood 15 years ago by the better sectors of the game forums and stuff. Then "the manosphere" came to have shit takes and overthink stuff 

 She'll listen to it if YOU are cool, as well
Your own charisma can carry you the whole way