@90991173 which one? ASP.NET 😂 Ruby 😳 Python 😵 C++ 😶 Nodejs 😂😂😂 Rust 😎🥃 Golang 😎🍸 Java 🐢
@ddc3da8f @90991173 Nah brah, he gonna use Perl to push ActiveX plugins.
@f8dfc7e8 @90991173 let's make Flash Remake using Web Assembly and some fancy CSS 3 ❤️🍸
@ddc3da8f @f8dfc7e8 why to remake flash, we have PixiJS
@90991173 @f8dfc7e8 current state of the web dev is No JS = black screen that's why we need hybrid solutions = PHP + JS, not JS only
@ddc3da8f @90991173 I'm just glad the state of web dev has finally stopped being "Use jQuery to do things that could be done in a single line of JavaScript, CSS, or even pure HTML."
@f8dfc7e8 @ddc3da8f yep, JQ is one of the biggest waste of bandwidth before DOM is even rendered.
@90991173 @f8dfc7e8 you can defer jQuery loading, but nobody does that
@ddc3da8f @f8dfc7e8 well if someone is using jquery as building block that he can’t defer while he needs to use it from beginning. Not mentioning the mess with shadow DOM.
@90991173 @f8dfc7e8 I have moved jQuery to cdn.gscloud.cz so it's at least closer to the customer (Cf Pages)
@ddc3da8f @90991173 The issue I've always had with jQuery is that people use it for things that take more time to do in jQuery then they do in pure JavaScript, CSS, and HTML. Like, I've been baffled for years by people using it for things like expanding / collapsing divs (JS) dropdown menus (CSS) and input forms (HTML). Finally, W3C has made this push of overstating the additions they've made the things like HTML5, pushing people to learn how to do it the normal way, and now these people are finally using the stuff that's been in there all along thinking these are new features that replace jQuery. I have no idea why jQuery got so popular in the first place, but I can only assume it's a combination of good marketing and bad teaching.
@ddc3da8f @f8dfc7e8 tbh, NOJS = blank screen happens when someone disabled it, I don’t see the difference with PHP on client side, if someone disable JS for sure, he will disable PHP also.
@ddc3da8f Of the ones you listed the only acceptabke ones are: Ruby Python C++ NodeJs Rusr Golang Java @90991173
@b05df304 @90991173 for Web Servers? shit no 😂
@ddc3da8f Depends what your writing it for... ill be honest while im happy to run a php app despite the fact that i know how to code in php id never personally code up an app in php, thats just my preference @90991173
@b05df304 @90991173 I write mediocre apps since 1998 David Grudl is our PHP God (Nette framework, Tracy, NEON)
@b05df304 @90991173 BTW our famous Czech @8aabb2c9 maintains PHP PPA for Debian and Ubuntu
@b05df304 @90991173 @8aabb2c9 also KNOT DNS created by Czech NIC is used by Cloudflare Czechs everywhere 😜😎
@b05df304 @90991173 anybody who tried nodejs knows it's a hell Rust and Golang for Web? sure, your productivity will drop to 5 %
@ddc3da8f No i agree most of those languages arent the best for web apps. Nodejs works, i dont like it as a web app server side language but it works (id take it over pho)... rust and go lang suck, php is better those are your only other choices... Ill take ruby, java, or python over ruby for a webapp in a beartbeat though @90991173
@b05df304 @90991173 I know about Ruby companies in Czechia - all available rubyists work there, like 30 😂
@b05df304 @ddc3da8f if you say Java, we should also say Kotlin. However if I would be tasked with 5+ nines SLA than I would take into consideration Erlang/Elixir perhaps Scala with their Actors models.
@90991173 @b05df304 Kotlin is good! I wrote my first K app for Android some 5 years ago even without any K knowledge, that's awesome 😂 but who likes compilation and fucking with Play Store when there's PWA
@ddc3da8f @b05df304 I was referring to using Kotlin in Backend side
@90991173 Most php programmers in my experience dont have a clear separation of front and back that talk via a rest layer like we tend to do with modern web apps. @ddc3da8f
@b05df304 @ddc3da8f and if they do, they than do not separate data model and this will kill them during horizontal scaling because they are not stateless :-) you have idea how many state full micro services I have seen in my live in terms of for example login sessions. Technically impossible to horizontally scale.
@90991173 @b05df304 well, Redis sessions will do when Redis crashes, the whole system crashes 🤔😳
@ddc3da8f thats why you run redis in a high availibility cluster itself... To create high availibility servers all your services need to be capable and running in high availiblity mode as well (usually means multiple servers all staying in sync somehow) @90991173
@b05df304 @ddc3da8f and we are back to Erlang/OTP and distributed Mnesia, never understood how someone can name data storage system like this :-)
@90991173 @b05df304 what's 5+ nines? 🤔
@ddc3da8f @90991173 5+ nines sla refer to very high availibility servers.
@b05df304 @90991173 I'd still go for PHP 8.2 😂
@ddc3da8f To each their own, you write in whatever you enjoy... All I know is I dont mind running a php web app, they are easy enough to use for a system admin for a service... But I will never ever start a project in php and would avoid programming the language if I ever could despite understanding the language. @90991173