Oddbean

Your argument will only circle in the long run.. you want only one race extra help or compensation, leaving behind others, having one race thinking and believing they deserve more than others isn’t that how slavery started

I’m not asking for extra help nor compensation. When the North beat the south the newly established black American class was given things by the government which was forcibly taken away after they killed Lincoln. I’m only asking for what is owed. And No, American slavery started because Europeans were looking to acquire land and build wealth. First, indigenous people were used for the settlements but their immune systems weren’t equipped. Africans had been around Europeans for years so the Catholic Church suggested Africans be used to help settle the new colonies. Race by definition is a competition. The black American people were intentionally left out of the US free market for as long as possible. Look at Kamala Harris and even Obama… the symbol of who they are and what they represent was used to manipulate American emotions into voting against themselves. Neither of them grew up black but politically it was easier to push that agenda for votes than it was to actually stand behind someone who’d make it better for the black community… those people tend to end up dead. Trumps done a lot for black people and they tried to kill him. Look at Lincoln and JFK. It seems like the argument would circle but with education maybe things can change. It’s not an easy conversation to have but having it is progress 🌻🫶🏽🫂

🤔 your argument still divides Americans even more, by giving a certain class more access than another, if fighting for equal rights is the goal and your not looking for any extra help or compensation then just call it American class act and fight for all races to have access. Instead of dividing a whole race of Americans when fighting the government it’s best to be united. It’s not an easy conversation to have because your going into it thinking your owed something from everyone that doesn’t look like you which in turn is reverse racism and defeats the entire point of your argument. The argument should be about the working class not race.

You keep avoiding the point that this is not about society having been wronged, this is about a specific situation that has not been corrected. It happened for the American Indians and many other classes/groups of people. Why not blacks? Speaking as if everything is equal, when it clearly has not been/is not, while simultaneously standing on the pedestal of mounting abuse over 300 years is silly and gaslighting. Dude have you been to the ghetto before? It’s a culmination of uninformed, underprivileged, gang fueled lifestyles and decay. That is a direct result of hopelessness you clearly will never understand.

Hello dude, have I been to the ghetto? Yes homeless for three years Las Vegas. But your argument was for only one race in the ghetto. Do you not understand that not just blacks live in the ghetto. The Ghetto is a poor urban area occupied primarily by a minority group or groups. What exactly hasn’t been corrected for the black community what are you asking the government for?

I’m from the south, the ghettos in the south are different mixed population numbers (5x+ more blacks). It makes sense you wouldn’t understand the repercussions and aftermath of slavery from Nevada. You are speaking from a place that doesn’t reflect the reality of a region of the country you are not familiar with. Of course others live in the ghetto, but it’s not related to slavery. Here are two major cities in relation to your experience in Nevada. The numbers don’t even compare https://i.nostr.build/CjVuTweBIwLpBm9l.jpg https://i.nostr.build/3O7uz9bKjNEslvnZ.jpg https://i.nostr.build/47bpsHCLA5Ugc3pp.jpg

🤔 makes sense I wouldn’t know about the repercussions and aftermath of slavery I can say the same for you I mean slavery ended 150 years ago but sure milk that cow, anyway I thought your issue was the ghetto only if it fits your narrative I suppose yeah go fight your one sided argument peace be with you 🫂💜🫡

The problem is a national issue, but is focused on a regional area. I worked in these areas heavily in my adult life and have been deeply saddened by the condition of these people. Come to find out there is a legit reason for their complaints over the years. If you want everyone to stand strong and fight our common enemy, sometimes we have to lift others up to do so. The one thing I’ve noticed about you and Lotta’s conversation is you share a common enemy. However, you just seem to dismiss her reasons for not liking the government.

I only disagree with her argument more pressing issues have presented since then IMO I wasn’t trying to dismiss her reasons I’m just giving a different perspective. To each their own 🫂💜🫡

What you said isn’t a disagreement, this is you insulting someone and telling them to shut up. However, you have more pressing matters to attend to, so take your disrespect elsewhere. nostr:nevent1qqsgfvy88ueazfjargxq7z7xrs8spd84jkddg08l65nd33nvkxyc8hqpr9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuurvv43xx6rpd9hzummjvuq3vamnwvaz7tm8d3hkyctv9eex2mrp0yh8yetyqy8hwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnddakszyrhwden5te0dehhxarj9emkjmn92v0j3k

More like get over it 150 years have passed… didn’t really think of it as disrespectful she shared her opinion I shared mine we had a discussion and then you popped into the convo Dude your argument changed from ghetto to blacks real fast what exactly are you arguing 😂

Not sure how you thought “get over your shit and stop dividing people” was a respectful way to address a woman. Also 150 years is incorrect, my grandfather tells me stories all the time about the conditions of blacks from 70 years ago. I worked with him in the same business for almost a decade. He’s 91 and can tell me how bad things were having grown up here. You have been misled by a google search… figure that. In this context, “ghetto” refers to the black community that Lotta and you were talking about. Have you been comprehending or just reacting?

We were discussing The Special Field Order 15 of 1865 and yes 159 years ago not stories your grandfather told 70 years ago your argument keeps changing are you reacting? Or just not comprehending what is being discussed

Look, you’re looking at the trees and can’t see the forest. It’s not a time hop. In that 150 years Blacks went from capital to capitalist with a proclamation. The very people who aimed to help them figure out how to cope with it were killed and the narrative usurped. We ultimately received gestures instead of what was owed. Then we were psychologically terrorized into acceptance via violence and violent organizations. I have family members in their 80’s and 90’s. In their lifetime it was illegal for blacks to know how to read/ write, walk in the front doors of white owned establishment, address a white person by their first name, look a white woman in the face, marry a white person, attend a white church, vote, own a house in certain neighborhoods, or use anything labeled “whites only”. I grew up with a grandmother who was so light skinned she could pass for white but chose not to and therefore suffered from “uppity nigger” syndrome. She taught me to be proud of being black but to not trust whites because they’ll work with you and not have you over for dinner. I don’t believe that today but it’s a testament to 150 years not being so far away. My mom told me about being in the 7th grade before having a white classmate and how it was dangerous to befriend them because they could lie and have you killed without recourse. She had classmates who went shopping with white girlfriends who shopped lifted and blamed their black friend next thing you know the black girl went missing. I’m not a victim but it’s wild that you don’t understand how 150 years ago easily bleeds into the way people relate to the world today. Thanks for the conversation though, I appreciate you.

I’m not arguing for equal rights at all. Equality is a myth and ideology perpetuated by liberals, neo communists, and The Democratic Party… it’s separatist in essence because it tokenizes black people/economic underclass and conditioned us into helplessness. The Special Field Order 15 of 1865 was created so the newly freed blacks would have access to the free market… with the assassination of Lincoln the order was ignored and what blacks were given was taken from them by force. Therefore, something is owed to us and things are unequal. When the Japanese were forced to live in concentration camps during WW2 they were given reparations for what was seized unfairly… it’s the same principle. If the shoe were on the other foot, I would choose to fight so that whoever was owed was paid their due because it’s not right for people to be promised something and then have it stolen away… it’s weird that other people can’t do the same for us.

During those times periods enslaved people got freedom… Seems more valuable then 40 acres and a mule the government promised but that’s government. Really think the Japanese Americans were made whole by the government after WW2 that’s a joke and more recent but sure complain about how your ancestors were treated unfairly 150+ years ago and that’s why life sucks now 👇 nostr:nevent1qqsgfvy88ueazfjargxq7z7xrs8spd84jkddg08l65nd33nvkxyc8hqprfmhxue69uhkummnw3ezummjv9hxwetsd9kxctnyv4mqz9nhwden5te0vakx7cnpdsh8yetvv9ujuun9vsq32amnwvaz7tmgd9ehgtnwdaehgu3wd3skueqppemhxue69uhkummnw3ezu6nstud7zg

Dude, I’m a white capitalist. Seems like you have an issue with other people getting repayment and you being excluded. BTW Japanese Americans all got at least a $20k check. Are you equating national security during WW2 with the Japanese people to blacks taken from their home country and enslaved? You seem to be conflating “CNN arguments for blacks” with what Lotta is saying.

🤔 wow Im flattered how much you assume you know me… I’m sure that $20k made them whole after losing everything… I don’t give two shits who the government gives money to you asshat my argument was with the division of race and equality for all Americans not just the black community but all the poor communities and opportunities for everyone not just one race because of bullshit history that didn’t directly effect your person.. Your arguments will only perpetuate the issue to another race down the line when you only want better for one race over another…

I just don’t understand why it’s such an issue for black Americans to ask for wrongs to be made right … especially when it was done for others. It sucks feeling lesser than knowing historically we as a people are supposed to feel that way. Not all whites owned slaves but the government benefited from it and went out of their way to make sure we never gained a solid footing afterwards. I hate that this has turned into name calling. I’m not a statist, a reverse racist, or separatist. My life doesn’t suck, my needs are met, and I don’t feel oppressed. I love America and I’m proud to be a black American. I understand the history of my people and see how gov propaganda has ushered us as a collective into our current predicament. I see Bitcoin as a solution. I was making a statement about that because what’s currently being proposed is unattainable. Tomorrow is new day. Have a good one. https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policycast/us-pays-reparations-every-day-just-not-black-america