Oddbean new post about login | logout 1. Israelis have always lived on the land and therefore have exactly the same right to the land as Palestinians. 2. there would be no state of Israel if Palestinians did not terrorize Israelis and try to drive them off their land. 3. the only solution to the conflict is the creation of two states, which happened under the influence of the UN and Britain. But Palestine is not satisfied with this, they want the complete annihilation of the Israelis. 4. All the territories that came under Israeli control were obtained as a result of military attacks on Israel. "Hards truths for many"
jews have not always lived on the land, read history, read the bible current jews in israel are mostly european, the palestinians are genetically far more semitic which means the jews are antisemites for persecuting palestinians, its also genocide aka a holocaust
The solution is clearly to use modern genetics to discern which genes dominated the regions since prehistory and then appropriately segregate the world based on historical and genetic analysis. Genes are fairly easy to track and it is obvious which genes are Palestinian Jewish genes and which genes are Palestinian Palestinian genes. We should complement this endeavor clearly by studying factual and non-biased historical texts, like the Bible and the Quran, in making our judgements. Of course, we will also need to torture language to achieve our propagandistic goals. Knowledge is ignorance, war is peace and jews are antisemites.
my solution is simpler, remove all israels foreign support and let them work it out themselves
Without any disrespect, I believe that a significant portion of what you just mentioned isn't accurate. How can we pursue a two-state solution when Israel has been constructing settlements in the West Bank, which are clearly illegal under international law? Am I overlooking something here? You mentioned terrorism, and many people argue that Israel's continuous bombings in Gaza and its ongoing occupation of Palestinian territories could be seen as a form of terrorism. Thi is evident in that picture above. Even if we assume everything you've said is true, it still doesn't justify apartheid unless you're framing it as some kind of holy war.
little hint what ever border you give jews they will take more they push limits inside host nations too
little hint Jews have never initiated an attack on Palestinians; the expansion of Israel's borders has occurred after each subsequent military invasion of their country. Aggressors must be held accountable
lies israel is the aggressor the jews in israel are invaders
This is not a lie; it's history. Antisemitism is not fiction; it's based on facts, and facts don't care about your feelings. If you want to support a society of savages and terrorists, that's your right, but it won't have any bearing on reality.
history is funny nostr:nevent1qqsdj57f23g4ajfukn4als4lsrcj3tw370cxmwz7nwaqdugeu8xwjvgmdr795 antisemitism is jewish deception, as said the palestinians are the most semetic people one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist americas founders were terrorists history is written by the victors and is rarely the truth
Oh, so you're one of those intellectually backward, reality-deniers😁
you seem to think you might offend me with words
when you write that americans are terrorists, you make yourself look like a total idiot. so any display of aggression towards modern americans can be seen in terms of "historical justice"? if jews are terrorists, but the real terrorists are "fighters for justice"? just good people who have dreamed for decades of wiping out israel and wiping all jews off the face of the earth. great guys! it's about time you got down on your knees in front of the negroes and shut up
no i didnt write americans are terrorists, touch up your english its just funny how history repeats, jewish history has repeated so many times jews cant be eliminated as they have no race, hitler failed to understand that
you claim that 'the founders of America are terrorists,' seemingly projecting their crimes onto modern Americans. either your statement is meaningless, much like everything else you say. touch up your logic yes, history repeats itself in a rather amusing way. hypocrites like you will always side with the criminals and justify their actions with other crimes. a typical statist and political demagogue.
This is absolutely delusional
just damn well study history, idiot
Ad hominem attacks only illustrate the weakness of your thesis
Because that wasn't a thesis, but rather advice on your nonsense.
Your smug condescension just illustrates the weakness of your assertions
You haven't provided any counterarguments for me to respond to. Your smug dismissiveness only illustrates the weakness of your assertions, or more accurately, the lack thereof.
Why would I bother? You're so completely delusional you won't accept any evidence of the falseness of your statements
You're just trying to speak for me instead of providing constructive evidence. But you don't have any because the aggressors are Palestinian terrorists, and I wish you to meet them and get to know each other better as soon as possible.
https://image.nostr.build/8141bf2cea1972727c196bec0b8135e0ca12cb1a1f98cfa4fac4d212679806c6.jpg
That's what you're great at. Allahu akbar!
✅ Optimism Airdrop Round 2 Is Live! 👉 https://telegra.ph/optimism-09-02 Claim your free $OP.
Imagine thinking that keeping two million people locked in an open air prison for decades somehow makes Israel not the aggressor Couldn't be me
What the hell are you talking about?У They have the right to travel, they have the right to choose to be citizens of Israel, they have the right to vote. You're a moron.
Your constant reliance on ad hominem just shows how weak your arguments are
Yes, my arguments are so weak that you couldn't respond to a single one. Quite astonishing!)
Oh but I did though nostr:nevent1qqsf7htjscl89lan24q050q8k08kjy02zhrjnluvz5qvqq349aukp5qppamhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5pzp67epru2mhrkhstujsc2gpzu2u8x4penalkt2c9d4a8dftl7fcrsqvzqqqqqqyxex3vh
Oh this is a lie that can be easily fact-checked. And I've already responded. Two million Arabs in Israel live as full-fledged Israeli citizens, serve in the army, and defend the borders. Some have chosen not to hold Israeli passports, but it's their personal choice that doesn't affect their rights. They have the right to vote, receive government benefits, and the right to move freely. It's astonishing; if it were an open-air prison, Arabs wouldn't voluntarily live there and contribute to the country's population by 3% annually. Therefore, I'll gladly call you a total idiot once again, and I'll be endlessly right)
Seems like plenty of blame to go around on both sides. Leaders profit from the conflict while the powerless on both sides suffer. It isn’t Israelis vs. Palestinians, just like it is not Republicans vs. Dems in US. It is powerful vs. powerless. The argument you two are having is precisely what the powerful want.
At any war, there are sponsors, but that's already within the realm of politics and diplomatic relations. I'm sure that there are no innocents on either side. However, in any war crime, there's an aggressor, the one who started the war with weapons in hand. In this case, the aggressor is Arab militants who have been committing terrorist acts for decades against the Jewish people. My opponents in this debate are trying to whitewash and justify them. They don't want to accept the fact that Jews also have the right to sovereignty and to protect their interests.
jewlusional
israels treatment of palestinians is genocide
✅ Optimism Airdrop Round 2 Is Live! 👉 https://telegra.ph/optimism-09-02 Claim your free $OP.
Religion is evil, and you're a dickhead.
whats your religion? calling people dickheads?
Without a doubt it's very convenient to deny facts. it's not hard for me, I can repeat it: Palestinians have historically committed terrorist acts and pogroms against Jews. although Jews have the same right to the territory. this is a historical fact. and you support the terrorists who are the root cause of this conflict.
Didn’t Jews come from Egypt? Where do you draw the history line? Or it’s just arbitrary?
palestinians haven't always lived there either. however, since they have lived alongside Jews for hundreds of years on the same land, the right to life should be recognized for both.
no the palestinians are genetically the original jewish occupiers of israel, the previous people the canaanites are now in lebanon https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-canaanites-werent-annihilated-they-just-moved-to-lebanon/ so if we are going for ancient claims on land the lebanese should be given israel should we go back further we will find other people, eventually other hominids other animals maybe intelligent reptiles i am open to whomever can kill off the other controlling the land, i just dont want to fund either side, jesus tried to teach you 2000 years ago to get along and make peace but you killed him instead of listening if you are a jew your prophet has been and gone, repent and accept christ
i dont think having some distant connection to a land gives you a right to it otherwise we all have a right to everything natural law says the able have
You're contradicting yourself. The majority of the territory belongs to Israel because Israel asserted its right to own that territory through the principle of 'the able have'. Moreover, it expanded its territory not by attacking its neighbors, but by defending itself from them. Read carefully: Jews lived alongside Palestinians side by side. What distant connection are you talking about? You're literally floating in your fantasies and just talking nonsense.
✅ Optimism Airdrop Round 2 Is Live! 👉 https://telegra.ph/optimism-09-02 Claim your free $OP.
jews were given the land from europeans, trained and armed to hold it by europeans, jews to this day are given enormous support to hold the land ... by europeans jews seem confused on who is able invading a country is not defense, by that logic russia defends itself in ukraine
They didn't receive this land from Europeans, you unteachable fool. Jews lived alongside Palestinians for hundreds of years, and it was the Arabs who historically harbored hatred towards Jews and carried out pogroms and terrorist acts against them.
palestine belonged to england https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Palestine
Yes, and? This doesn't even contradict what I wrote earlier. You're amusing
thanks
the egyptians are connected to atlantis and last iceage civilization
Lol the propaganda got you good
What makes you think your version of the truth isn't propaganda? Lick the boot, clown.
I’ve never heard a single Zionist talking point that made any sense at all to a rational mind. Zionism is like abortion. It only makes sense if you’ve internalized the premise that you are being persecuted by the entire world and all times, so then you can convince yourself that killing innocent lives is justified.
Could you repeat your schizophrenic nonsense one more time, which you just wrote, but this time in a more coherent way? What does your inflamed mind want to convey?
You believe killing innocent people and taking their land is justified because you’ve swallowed a persecution story your entire life. There’s no reasoning with you, because your mind is in a permanent state of emergency thanks to a century of successful propaganda.
Ad hominem attacks are the last refuge of someone whose arguments are shitty
Wow, they literally showed up and started colonizing them immediately. The Israelis are the terrorists, their plan was to take the land from the beginning. Hard truths my ass, I’m shocked at at the lack of historical knowledge on here
Hello, soyboy. Go cry and light a candle for the Islamist militants.
I love when people like you immediately show your mind is empty. Like I suspected. Feel free to respond to my actual points anytime.
retweet, like, comment... you forgot to zap me, dude! p.s: If you want to justify terrorism with another injustice, it's not my job to tell you what's right and wrong. Ask your mother when her mouth is free of an Islamic dick.
😂😂😂😂 killing people trying to colonize you is not terrorism, it’s properly called guerrilla warfare or freedom fighting. And again, colonists do not count as civilians. Again, you are showing me your empty mind or at least your intellectual laziness. If you don’t want to understand the words you are using that’s on you. If you want to simp for a fascist apartheid state that kept Nelson Mandela on their terrorist list until 2008, that’s also on you. If you want to have a weird fixation with dick, I guess it’s a free world and you can do with it what you want.
😂Tell me about your fantasies, whom did the Jews colonize? It's quite interesting. By the way, where are you from? You wouldn't mind if decolonizers came to your place, would you, considering you defend them? Just a war of definitions. Are you aware that Jews and Arabs lived together on this land for hundreds of years? Are you even aware that Jews have the same rights to this territory? Are you aware that Palestine has enough territory to focus on their own well-being rather than launching rockets and bombs at Israelis? Do you even know what terrorism means? Obviously, you don't know because you're a stupid bellend.
Definitions matter unless you are some kind of post-modernist. Since you still don’t get it, a terrorist is someone that attacks civilians. Someone that travels to another place and tells the locals that their land now belongs to them, is a colonist, not a innocent civilian who just happened to land there. Simple definitions seem to be a challenge here. I don’t know where you get you international law news from, but Israeli settlements have been declared illegal several times. It was also determined, if you believe in law, that nothing the Palestinian fighters are doing is illegal in attacking Israeli targets. They have a right to resist. Israel controls the movement of goods and people in and out of Gaza and other Palestinian areas. They intentionally keep the amount of supplies low in Gaza and keep them inside unable to leave when they want without paperwork and passing through checkpoints. Exactly like South African apartheid. They called Mandela a terrorist too, and I assume you would agree. The Palestinians, the ones you call “terrorists”, that is who they colonized by taking their land and then forced the ones left into open air concentration camps like Gaza, or would you prefer the term “reservation”? Also, Jews and Israel are not one and the same, sounds kinda racist bro.
лови, людоедина. это акт борьбы за справедливость? ты ебаное чмо, которому бы я с удовольствием поссал на лицо https://x.com/kseniasvetlova/status/1711768806723309827?s=46&t=wkw4z1KNXkA3BbtZDbuL9A
Once again, you've typed up a pointless rant, but I'll repeat myself because I'm indulgent toward intellectual invalids: Jews lived side by side with Palestinians for hundreds of years. This land does not belong to Palestinians; they have equal rights to it. Egyptians swallowed their pride and live in peace, but Palestinian terrorists can't live peacefully. They are not a colony of Israel; you're just uneducated. You're a pissing idiot.
Yea they lived side by side for hundreds of years in ancient times. What does that have to do with intentionally cleansing whole areas of Palestinians, and establishing a nation state that practices apartheid? Egypt was literally paid off in weapons and money by the US, and they continue to receive shit tons of funding and weapons. So were other countries in the end. And here is some light reading material for you non-readers out there. https://i.nostr.build/e29X.jpg
An X thread if you would prefer to keep the work load light: https://x.com/realpepeescobar/status/1711824445357392341?s=46&t=nsagA7gkqGcUxmSnUh_mow
Just realized that you imply here that you can learn the truth of the world through official education 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Gaza is enclosed because Palestinians support Hamas terrorists enter Israel to kill civilians. Apartheid is what Palestinians deserve. Hamas deployed huge amount of ammunition in Gaza and Palestinians are happy to see these rockets to be projected into Israel to kill civilians. Any government responsible for its people’s safety must keep the border tight and secure. Is there any Palestinian that criticizes Hamas? No. No one. Since that Palestinians allow Hamas to deploy ammunition in Gaza, so don’t blame Israeli air fighters for bombing Gaza. Previous I thought Israel should be blamed for killing. No, the root is here, Palestinians.
Go read the earlier parts of my discussion with the other apartheid simp and then come back and we can meet here.
