Oddbean

Let me get this straight, you’re saying: a) You agree Obama funded neo-nazis and the entire war is based on their violent coup b) You only think the arming of the nazis was unintentional, but make no reference to the actual coup in 2014. Which is the larger issue But yet, c) I’m sharing Russian views that are not my own This is not logical, and everything else you wrote is generic and irrelevant.

No that is not what I said. I think the government fights for their own beliefs abroad. Both financial support to many different armed forces and trying to influence the elections of different countries. I think it happens regardless of who sits in the oval office. I think that cherry picking those incidents and using them in an argument for a selected political view is far fetched. I don't think it was a coup. I think it was a battle between east and west. Just like the current war. Don't you think Russia tried to gain control of Ukraine? Democracy and press freedom was under siege before 2014. I don't think that you are pro-russia intentionally. But I think you are pushing their agenda without knowing it.

I just sent you the sources from the mainstream US press, with leaked Audio from the Obama admin, that is WAS a coup If you can't refute the facts, then you must accept the conclusion Further, even if I'm standing in Moscow right now, it's irrelevant to the debate. The question is what is in the best interest of the US and EU everyday people... which is not nuclear war or the escalation of this conflict.

I will look more into the leaked audio and "the coup". Again thank you for having the discussion. Even though I don't agree on everything, I still learn a lot. But I do certainly agree with your last statement and will continue to fight for more privacy for us all.