I don’t actually get why this is a problem. We’ve got 8 billion people right now. We don’t need that many people to run the economy. As new tech continues to develop we get more productive. If we steadily grow in productivity we can produce the same economic output with fewer people. The income and wealth per capita goes up. In the case of Japan their GDP is flat but the the Japanese people are better off because that same GDP is spread out to fewer people. 

With the environmental impact of humanity, it’d be a lot lower with 2 billion instead of 8 billion people but we could have higher quality of living. 

And isn’t this the best way to reduce population? Slowly through people having fewer kids? Want to have a lot of kids. Go for it. Most women are choosing fewer kids as they get more economic and social power. It’s a hell of a lot better than China’s one child policy, disease, war, or famine. 

Yes we need to pay people to take care of the elderly. But we could do that the way Singapore does it. They don’t tend to put the elderly in institutional care. Instead they pay family members to take care of their elderly. Just like raising kids in a family is be than an orphanage, or other group child raising like happens in some christian communes and kibbutzes. Most people provide better care of their parents and grandparents than any nurse in an institution could. And it’s a hell of a lot cheaper, it’s just there is no companies pushing for these polices like there is for care homes. 

We can handle massive reductions in population over a few generations humanely without destroying the economy.  

 The problem is the top/ruler class will not release their resources to normal classes. Majority of economical growth is enjoyed by the top class. 

 More people == more innovations, more productivity == more human flourishing and faster development 

 The too many people narrative is a lie of the eugenicists. 

 Yes but if we care about genetic diversity we should focus on Africa because it’s where almost all genetic diversity lies.  

I’m not saying we have too many people. More it’s ok if the population slowly declines. And humanity would be just fine with half or a quarter of the current population. We shouldn’t be worried that people are having less kids.  

 people like Elon Musk who are obsessed with this falling birth rate thing couldn't care less about babies in africa. they're obviously talking about babies in western countries. 

 Yes.

Because babies in western countries have significantly higher degrees of aptitude.

100 years of electricity and they’re still in the literal dark. 

 no. you're just racist. 

 Have you ever looked at a global IQ chart? 

 honestly when I see videos on tiktok where american people are asked simple questions and they can't even tell the difference between a continent and a country, I think maybe these maps aren't very accurate. 

 A retarded cunt at that. 

 Destruction of natural normal family life via fiat. Before the Federal reserve existed most homes were purchased with cash, every generation of families lived together, and people didn't move from home to home. They built an expanded their own home with their own proof of work. A home wasn't a vain thing.  

 Why would we want fewer people? Greater genetic diversity, more brains...who knows where the next Einstein or Hawkins comes from...who knows what random mutation is going to be beneficial to humanities survival...we need many many more humans. 

 I’m pretty sure there are millions of Einsteins who are trapped in poverty or don’t have a champion like Einstein’s mom. Have you read the story of what his mom did to get him educated. It’s epic. 

And Hawkins would have died of ALS if he wasn’t incredibly well supported by family, private money, and the UK NHS. He’s incredibly rare in that he’s lived in to his 70’s only because of constant 27/7 care. 

We can be incredibly innovative if we support the people we have. If everyone had access to the support we provided the Einsteins or Hawkins of the world we be much more innovative with 2 billion people.  

 We need more people to be able to colonize space. Either through technological hyperdevelopment that leads to transhumanism (the option I think the most probable) or through sheer biological means. In the first case because we simply need more brainpower to reach such technological level, and in the second also because only a tiny fraction of us will ever be able to leave.