Oddbean new post about login | logout We're not here for machine-to-machine or human-machine communication. We're here for human-to-human communication. That is the use case we are fighting for. Free human speech.
Well, it's the use case I'm fighting for, anyway.
And you are free to fight for it. It just doesn't make much sense to force your vision into everybody else using the protocol.
But it does make sense to force yours?
The PR is not my vision. I am a kind 1 developer. I want everything to circle and reuse kind 1s as much as possible. However, I agree that my interests are not aligned with the needs of other apps that could use the protocol. The world doesn't revolve on kind1. The earlier we accept that, the faster we are going to grow.
Unless you're referring to some other PR, this linked one above sounds precisely like it's your vision. You submitted it and you are the one avidly defending/promoting it in the comments. If it's not yours, then whose is it? You're free to fight for it. It just doesn't make sense to force your vision onto everyone else using the protocol. https://image.nostr.build/eb946e8640878d6b7c83beb137dfe34faaad62e283feb49f910a40fe7f9b35a2.jpg
I am not forcing it. It's up to the rest of the maintainers to merge it. I just provided the changes to the text. If they want to merge it, great, if they don't, then the text will keep stay inconsistent with reality.
So it's simply a suggestion/request, from you, with arguments in support of it made by you. How is that not your vision? Whatever merits your arguments for your proposed changes may or may not have, this is your vision for the organization and implementation of the Nostr protocol. My issue in this thread here is with your comments about others being free to "fight" for something while implying that your mere suggestion for the protocol is the defacto correct way to approach it.
I do a lot of things that are not my vision. I just follow reality where it goes. Sometimes it aligns with my vision, sometimes it doesn't. Life is hard.
Reality is that at its heart, its most basic level, the core purpose of Nostr is to be a social network where users are connected socially with each other across all sorts of "stuff." Is reading comprehension also hard? Have you considered that your vision is simply outside the scope of what Nostr intends to be? I know you are fond of forking stuff, so why not fork Nostr into "Nostr Vitor's Vision"? https://image.nostr.build/2a7b38edb8e90186cc53125fd8abfb7d2080055d8ae300310d2b1e3e09aee2fe.jpg
I don't really get your point. Every app is "social" these days. Even health care is, at the core, a social network (you, your doc, your pharmacy, etc). So, what I am proposing is not against what you highlighted. Every event kind in Nostr can be seen as a separate censorship-resistant social network. So, in many ways, Nostr has already forked itself multiple times. In fact, I do believe every client is also a fork of the network because no client displays **everything** the Network has yet. No client is complete. On top of that, every client does things differently. So, in some sense, they are all forks of the network. There is no consensus layer in Nostr. We don't select a single chain like we do when we run Bitcoin. So, the idea of forking the protocol itself doesn't really many any sense. To conclude: Forks are either already happening with all event kinds or it's impossible to fork because Nostr already includes everything. There is no in-between.
