You may be missing some context of the conversation. This post wasn’t made in isolation.
But by all means, assume you know me, the situation, and what I’m talking about well enough to assume moral superiority and the right to judge my actions and words.
I’ve done plenty to help others on Nostr. And I run my fair share of Nostr services, many of which are free. What I’m done with is talking heads speaking out their ass about luring normies in, having this idea that Nostr and BTC fixes everything and is appropriate for every use case, etc.
If you believe that BTC and Nostr fixes everything, that everyone is going to use it, and that we’re going to somehow make it attractive to the average user, feel free to filter me from your feed. I’m done giving homage to the false idol, so I’m probably going to piss you off.
Context is fiatjafs post about Flare on HN right?
I don’t assume moral superiority but I reserve the right to judge. Everyone is allowed to judge everyone else.
I have no doubt you’ve done far, FAR more than me to help Nostr. But this idea of “normies” vs us is not helpful.
It’s not even about making Nostr work with everything. When most of the Nostr services have awful UX for a first time user why do we expect people to have anything good to say about it?
I’m not a maximalist of either things. If something more promising than Nostr or BTC came along then great.
I get the frustration when people complain about curation & moderation, etc. But when we have services that don’t even attempt to explain nsec or help the average user then we can’t complain about the criticism.
Also, and I don't want to to start an argument lol.... But nostr isn't attracting non-normies, it's only attracting b!tcoiners, let's not kid ourselves
And it's only even attracting a fraction of 'b!tcoiners'.
I agree with this. The question is one of should Nostr be trying to appeal to normies or not?
I don’t think it has to be about appeal. If a normie comes up against Nostr and interact/explore it there should be adequate signposting to educate
It goes back to what a normie is. I think it depends on who is saying it. I think a lot of people would look at nostr and say it has loads of normies (who talk b!tcoin).
When I refer to “normie” in this context, I am defining it as someone who doesn’t really care about online privacy, centralization, and control over one’s data online.
And then all that comes after that….freedom of expression, freedom to transact in ideas and money anonymously etc.
This is usually the type of thing I have in mind as well.
Sure, I think that is increasingly of interest to 'normies' too tho. I just think a perhaps it's not enough, people will join when more diverse topics and lively communities come (if they ever come). I think a lot of people will follow content creators. But I think twitterx has done just enough to appease a lot of content creators. (And a lot of them are savvy enough to not be under any illusions of the shortcomings of Elon), but they need to have a viable/fulfilling/active userbase. I have no idea how the magick of the network effect works.
This is sort of why I made a thread earlier today about flare (or something like flare). Video platforms seem to be a more congested space which nostr/ a nostr-plugged in solution could make a potential play.
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*contested not congested. Although maybe that is also true lol.
But look at flare. Bit of misstep to have the front page dominated by a giant b!tcoin sponsored ad, it looks like b!tcoin magazine. Just have it as a static first video with an outline or some shit. You probably wouldn't see odysee doing the same thing with their sh!tcoin, it's a bad first impression. Off-putting to any 'normie' - in this context basically anyone outside of pre existing nostr users.
I completely agree with this.
I agree with what you’ve said. With this same thinking then, for these content creators who need a large network to consume their content, how the hell can nostr compete with legacy platforms? If these same people are willing to make trade offs in the areas we’ve identified, why would they go to a smaller network? It’s not because it’s too difficult, it’s because they’ve already decided to make those tradeoffs.
So then it becomes a question of what is the goal of nostr? Or goals, I suppose?
I guess then it’s about choice of clients etc, but if clients take the route of carbon copying legacy platforms why would that group switch when the network they are after is already there?
Hmm I don't have the answer lol;)
But there are plenty of significant political/cultural commentary/ artistic content creators who aren't settled on video platforms. There's a fair amount of uncertainty about the future of the ones they are using, and lots are hedged by uploading to multiple. It is a potential hopeful scenario with the right platform. Eg a video platform with a tie to nostr/nostr comments/tipping. Or something?
Yes, for sure. It has potential for sure. I’m not smart enough to know how you would decentralize a video client on nostr? Who stores all the videos? Where are they stored?
I also have no clue (about anything), as you may have guessed already lol. There were a few solutions thrown about, which I barely understood, by people who seem to be more clued up lolol, peertube, ifps. ( I'll grab the link in a sec and post as reply).
Perhaps potentially it would have to be a 'good enough' solution with nostr acting as a comment/discussion community widget.
I have no idea what this means in practice tho.
Glad we are on the same page lol.
People who know more about video stuff in replies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Definitely seems a trickier and more expensive problem and the social micro logging one.
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peertube + massive syndication + nostr + zaps and cross-network communications (nostr, torrent sites, hive socfi, fediverse, rss)
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