Oddbean new post about login | logout DON'T POST CROWD SHOTS OF BITCOINERS ON CONFERENCES WHO DIDN'T GIVE YOU EXPLICIT CONSENT TO INDEX THEIR FACE ON THE INTERNET. BE CLASSY. RESPECT PRIVACY. REMEMBER YOUR CYPHERPUNK MANNERS.
Yeah, that was painful to see. Very uncool.
Which conferences still have a no photo policy? Disappointed at the number of photos of the crowd in madeira.
EVERY EVENT AT BITCOIN PARK.
The park isn’t open to the gp right?
I agree but do these conferences have no camera policies in place? If I went to a conference like this I would assume I would be photographed somewhere to be honest.
We have no photos policy and people don’t get invited back who violate it and don’t remove. So it rarely gets violated and is kinda self enforcing.
Maybe don’t expose yourself by going to a convention without taking privacy in your own hands. It’s your responsibility not others. Real cypherpunks don’t attend these n e ways.
Are Adam Back, Nick Szabo, Phil Zimmerman not cypherpunks? 🙄
Real cypherpunks would never say such a thing.
Both can be true: dont violate others privacy and protect yourself. Also: https://image.nostr.build/4cf55f857f1dbe5cdb8264b31c174d00fccd2c7a4aeb7f6f33e92c1248651a0e.jpg
I’m still angry about this photo taken of me arriving for breakfast. Never again will I be able to wear this outfit. https://image.nostr.build/d996b6ae8fb405d97a1ea79c82235c6866cd1e7268e72bc2ee8af772b3269e26.jpg
Just by going there and knowing they were filmed, they give consent. Is a public space, you are the only one responsible for your face. I didn't violate any privacy by screenshot a public video.
NO
Did I entered into their house and took the pictures? NO. They were in a public space. This happen when you are in a public space.
WRONG 🥱
It’s a private event.
If it was a private event on private land then those at fault were those taking original photos at the private event, and broadcasting them publicly. If they’re in the public domain it’s more of a copyright issue than a privacy one and if those images have been modified/used for literary and artistic purposes then they can fall under parody, criticism and news reporting fair dealing copyright.
We have no expectation of privacy in public 💨
It's a private event. And it doesn't matter what your personal expectation is.
If you are on a beach and you show me your genitals... so you scream loud that I violate your privacy by looking at your genitals?
And where is this genital beach you frequent? Freak.
A friend of mine would like to know the answer to this too
Private events are not public events.
Should one go to a conference if they don't want to be known? You're in a public space. Wear a face covering. Expecting others to not take photos is absurd.
Conferences are usually private events where organisers can set the rules.
Breaking rules is a completely different issue. I'd still argue that a conference is public for the purpose of this argument.
They are literally private events with rules they can choose to implement. This isn't about private or public events though, it's about basic cypherpunk decency.
Public events can implement rules too. I never said they didn't have rules. I just think it's retarded to go to any event in spaces that you don't own expecting to not end up on a camera. I don't think it's reasonable to say it's indecent to take photos at such events either unless the rules expressly prohibit it. Everyone went knowing the rules. You don't have to like it, but I just don't think it's indecent to take a photo of a crowd if the rules allow it and everyone there is choosing to be there with their faces exposed.
There's a difference between expecting some general, less recognizable crowd pictures, and getting your face actively singled out and doxxed.
This post says crowd shots, not walking up to an individual face and snapping a shot.
It's also not about taking pictures but about posting them.
It's good manners for the cypherpunks. Doesn't apply to normies
It's a ridiculous idea altogether. A cypherpunk just wouldn't go if they really didn't want cameras to see them there. I find it bizarre, unless there are specific rules that ban it and people do it anyway. If the rules allow it, you have no moral superiority. Everyone agreed by choosing to be there. I don't personally take pictures of anyone without asking, even in public, but I would never expect other people to be the same at a conference that allows it. I just wouldn't go or cover my face if it was that big of a deal.
Everywhere, I go I'm being recorded by some type of camera connected to internet I usually wear privacy glasses, but I understand what you are noting
Care to share the glasses?
https://www.reflectacles.com/
He also accepts #bitcoin
Nice I’m bout to get a pair should have a year or 2 ago when I heard about em.
Nice, I bought my first pair in 2020
So annoying when people do random recordings of the crowd. Including with use of drones.
True! But you can wear a mask to avoid this !
Has to be said. OFTEN AND LOUDLY
If you go out in public, that's on you 🤷♂️ No one's gonna accomodate your lack of opsec.
I agree that the proper thing to do at events like these is for one to abstain from taking pictures or video without consent. That said, and as others have said, your personal opsec is on you.
You should absolutely assume that if you wear a bitcoin cap in the mall that you're risking being recognized as a bitcoiner. Expecting people to look away to maintain your privacy is obviously ridiculous. Expecting people to refrain from documenting it, is obviously a gamble you're taking. Sure you can appeal to people to be classy, as you put it, and not index your face from a "private" (*cough* clearly practically public event despite the technicalities) Your opsec is obviously your responsibility and if you want to make sure you're not photographed at a private/public event either - hide your face - don't be there The equivalent of the request in your note is like asking the fed to not debase the usd, like, sure that would be great I guess, but im not counting on it.
I've been thinking about this today, when I played the piano, sang funnily some terrible song and my friend recorded it and immediately threw it on some social media, tagging me. I'm now thinking about splitting personalities tbh. It's probably easier for a woman too. Makeup and a scrunchie can do great things.
Make me
I would never expect privacy in a conference with thousands of people attending.
Good point, although it will never happen.
To be in public is to be on the internet.
Always assume Chatham house rules unless explicitly told otherwise https://www.chathamhouse.org/about-us/chatham-house-rule
Man some sad takes here. People should be able to have some semblance of privacy even in public places. Leaving your home doesn’t mean it’s cool for people to dox you. By a lot of comments you shouldn’t be able to have any privacy if you step foot outside your home. The choice shouldn’t full hermit with full privacy or take one step out your door and have zero privacy. That’s beyond ridiculous. There has to be some sort of a middle ground.
One of the reasons I don't attend such events.
It's not only crowd shots that are uncool, neither. :( Photos from @niftynei 's bitcoin++ in Buenos Aires were also widely shared. Please, conference organizers, when hiring photographers or camera teams, tell them to be mindful of people who don't feel comfortable about this. We are a special crowd in that respect and as many said, they avoid conferences for this lack of consciousness.
Im surprised they don't wear like a thin silicone mask or whatever o.o
So then it is to be considered a safety risk to be recognized that you own bitcoin? How long are we obligated to feel this way?
it's like fiat, it's a safety risk to be recognized that you are loaded with cash.
If they are that concerned about their privacy, they would not be at a conference about Bitcoin.
Your too late Calle, were the CIA we dont ever sleep or miss a conference. I think you should deal with us the IRS is totally fucken numb mind monkeys.... https://void.cat/d/FGt5X3SbyQU2mgRRf2WUB5.webp
This is something the production teams in these conferences should take into account beforehand. They are filming people in the audience without their consent and this material is made public afterwards. Somebody is going to post it sooner or later.
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For sure Also pretty sure feds are there walking around with hidden cameras and then using facial rec
You can't really expect privacy in public, even in a private event. But there's a line between fighting now and fighting later. Whichever you choose, your face will be identified, catalogued, prosecuted, attacked and all of those other things authoritarian governments do to dissenters. It's really just a matter of time and resources.
We had made these for Nostrasia, but I’m sure it didn’t stop some people. https://m.primal.net/HhGZ.jpg
If you want privacy do what Satoshi did disappear man. I don’t agree with you! But we can agree to disagree 👍🏾🫡
