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 personally i feel cashu would be easier to understand if the default UX was that all sats sent to the mint are immediately issued as ecash tokens back to me rather than that being a separate step at payment time 
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 @hong I see what you’re saying and I’m thinking about an ongoing development and testing with “clans” and “circles” functionality now that you’ve mentioned this. 
 In a cashu wallet, when you create an invoice and it gets paid, the ecash are created and put in your wallet.

I believe it happens in 1 step. 
 correct - but Wallet<->MINT must be online reachable when CLAIMING or MINTING 🥜 
 doesn't enuts work in this way? where i send it sats via LN but it doesn't issue ecash tokens in return immediately and i have to speficially mint ecash tokens if I want to send them to you? 
 The balance you see after making an LN payment is ecash. There are tokens on your device. There is not a separate sats in lightning account balance.  The "send" ecash is selecting the tokens you have in yout balance to use. Enuts has "coin control" so you are able to actually select the specific ecash token to send.  
 oh interesting! didn’t understand that it worked this way under the hood. 
 To see:
Options
mint management
Select mint
proofs

OR:
send
send ecash
select total balance available
green arrow
coin selection

 
 okay let me play around with fedimint ecash on mutiny and see if the UX is different there! 
 I also haven't had the experience you're having Hong when using cashu. 
 The balance you see after making an LN payment is ecash. There are tokens on your device. There is not a separate sats in lightning account balance.  The "send" ecash is selecting the tokens you have in yout balance to use. Enuts has "coin control" so you are able to actually select the specific ecash token to send.  
 oh interesting! didn’t understand that it worked this way under the hood. 
 To see:
Options
mint management
Select mint
proofs

OR:
send
send ecash
select total balance available
green arrow
coin selection

 
 I also haven't had the experience you're having Hong when using cashu.