Oddbean

A couple things: 1) Most are twatter blue checks and get paid for their content and it can be significant. If they've built bases outside of BTC, they rake in even more and most cross pollinate into econ, investing, etc. I know someone personally that is a small account and makes several hundred (to low thousands) bucks monthly for shitposting. 2) Engagement is still better there. I know some of you guys get great engagement here, but mine is minimal even when I spend time responding to other's content. So they're unlikely interested in rebuilding that. So I guess what I'm getting at is that between getting their welfare and engagement, they're willing to sacrifice the other stuff. Toss in the fact that there are UI/UX challenges (and some devs cry when you bring them up), I don't really blame them for not joining us.

personally i never was interested in twitter, i think in like 2007 for about a week i had an account and got sick of all the SMS messages and the post length limitation was contrary to my verbose style anyway i got into twitter because of its heavy presence of crypto and bitcoin chatter and then the great crashes of 2022 and then i heard all my bitcoiner follows raving about nostr and eventually i joined and shortly after went #nostronly because of Elon buying it (and i don't trust that transhumanist tax eater as far as i could kick his fat ass up a hill). the entire business of welfare whores and shitposting for pay is something that provably cannot work without this kind of incentive and the money is coming from advertisers who are buying the data to craft their marketing campaigns... so it's a model that has no place in a post-hyperbitocinization world what is going to happen though, inevitably, is that sooner or later they are gonna go after Substack and other similar semi-decentralised systems, i can see bluesky and farcaster also being put under the hammer of the DoJ and SEC in the future, and maybe not this cycle, but for sure next cycle, there will be such an aching need in the market for really decentralised social media and another 4 years i can see nostr becoming very mature and a big part of that is going to be related to zaps, subscription systems, paid relays, tor integrations, specialised clients really getting solid and facilitating freemium business model and when that happens, all the laggards will come... i give it 5 years

Agree with most of this. On the welfare point, I will say the individual I know has bought Bitcoin with every payout and probably has shitposted his way to a quarter of a BTC since that program dropped. Hard to argue with that.

There's lots of non-blue checkers who continue to use twitter, even unmonetised too. Cos their interest(s) are there. There are plenty of niche and not so niche clusters of subgenres and activity around interests to be found on twitter which has little or no representation here. But yeah also people don't want to start over. Like larger accounts who have a follower count larger than the entire network here. And what they post about may also not even have an audience on nostr in any significant amount to feel like a community or otherwise meaningful. Not that they wouldn't be welcomed..but more like they would feel like they're not getting any engagement on the topics they care about.

I mean just grabbing an example from your bio. You're not really gonna find much pro-wrestlimg content or lively discussions here. But you will find that aplenty on twitter. You'll even get specific Japanese pro wrestling enthusiasts, conversations and content there. But barely exists here (afaik)

If the only thing you know is bitcointwitter, nostr is fine, you have all the slogans and "memes" here. Maybe even Meshtastic, Christian community too. Beyond that you'll struggle to find engagement really..... For now. Who knows

The optional Reddit-like Nostr features are, in my view, an important goal. Reddit used to be a free speech platform. It grew that way. Many complain about Reddit moderation and have complained about it becoming more censorship prone. So there is a potential userbase for a Reddit-like Nostr-based platform.

yeah it annoys me when disingenuous bitcoiners say everyone should be 'nostr only', like it's some kind of moral decree. most people have connections and communities elsewhere which provide value to their lives. these don't need to be sacrificed to grow something new.

It's also disingenuous when people say it's because there's no algo. They are just evidencing that they have no interests outside of bitcointwitter chatroom -style posts. Lots of interest aren't here, and so they can't be found. Not all of us are bitcointwitter-only lol:)

Being Nostr-only is also a terrible strategy to promote Nostr. You are then only posting to people who already know Nostr (because they are on Nostr). It's a bad idea, it's limiting. Also, Nostr isn't perfect. It's good to explore different decentralized and censorship-resistant options which may already exist or exist in the future. There isn't one *specific* platform, or protocol, or really one specific anything that is inherently better. What is inherently better is always something which, if it were forgotten, could be built again. So it's decentralization and censorship resistance, not Nostr specifically.