Let's assume we have some product ideas for IVPN customers to test, invite-only. We start a chat community to get feedback and offer a place to discuss our service, privacy etc. Which platform would you prefer? - Needs to support multiple channels - Ideally self-hosted - Discord and Telegram are no-go due to privacy policies Options: - Matrix - IRC - Nostr based solution which we have not heard about - Something else
Oxchat is nostr based, similar to telegram.
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Simplex chat.
Thanks. Can you create multiple channels within your group?
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Thanks. Can you create multiple channels within your group?
i dont think so, @water783 ?
Not for now but maybe implemented in the future
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I'm going to be a contrarian to the nostr and Simplex replies and say maybe Mattermost? BTCPayServer devs use it
SimpleX
SimpleX
What do you need the channels for?
Hey @IVPN on Nostr getting closer to the customer is a strong move💪! At Zap.Store @Zapstore team is looking to build exactly what you described - an easy to manage way to take ownership of the relationship with your customers over nostr! Zap store team would love to add you to an early ZS community development group, so we may validate the product we are building to help you better get in touch with your customers. If this is interesting, say aye and we’ll send you group details 🙏. cc @franzap @nielliesmons
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It's harder, and probably never we'll have an private communication on Nostr like we have on Simplex. It leaks more metadata and the IP addresses are exposed for the relays, sure, VPNs lke yours and Tor routing can be used to solve this, but one mistake you make, an malicious relay can explore. I can say there is a possibility to in a near future, Nostr npubs databases information like IP addresses can exist. Yes, there are nostr clients like Amethyst that now uses Tor network by default to protect npubs real identities, but it's not enough, even when you see the nostr:nprofile1qqs9ajjs5p904ml92evlkayppdpx2n3zdrq6ejnw2wqphxrzmd62swspzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuvrcvd5xzapwvdhk6qgdwaehxw309aukzcn49ekk2qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8x6tpd4ehgu3wvdhk6ynf30t don't do this at the moment, you have to setup manually your proxy using orbot for example
SimpleX Chat have their on internal private routing solution. And to finalize SimpleX is less censorship-resistant, and Nostr is more censorship-resistant because of the design and the number of relays, like Torrent. Both (SimpleX and Nostr) can be self-hosted, but SimpleX is decentralized and Nostr distributed
Hello IVPN 👋 Your app is listed on zap.store, it would be awesome if you could start nostr-signing your releases! Your users will be able to 100% verify what they're installing is from you
We'll look into it, thanks for the note!