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 I never mentioned bitcoin. I am as mply pointing out that relying on trust is problematic and leads to the emergence of "trusted third parties" which is counterparty risk tofunctionaltity.

Agreed that client downloading 20mb for a count is inefficient and that's dumb way to count though.

Why not micro relays on every "full" client? Data is pretty cheap most places  and solves the trust issue for day to day operations.

Jus's a thought.

 
 What’s a “micro relay”? Isn’t that basically a trusted server? 
 Lol no. I mean the relay implementation can be skinny and stuffed in local client.

But nm. I have argued this before enough to have been told by the creator of this protocol that centralization is a feature and relays are private property.

So. It doesn't matter what I say. This is how it will be. We are just rebuilding the old world with new faces and phrases.

Be well 
 I don't think it's necessarily a question of size. It's just that you can only trust your own relays.

The Android relay I run on my localhost is more trustworthy than one run by someone else, on their machine, regardless of who they are, because I can see the entirety of it and verify everything. 
 I just setup Citrine on my phone and it's running really good. Do you know if there are other relay apps for Android, or is Citrine pretty much it for now?  
 I think that's the only one, so far. 
 That's OK. Setting it up and getting it running was a snap. I wish it had more configuration options, but it's pretty great for a personal relay that runs on your phone.