Oddbean

This is quite deep. We got annoyed with xitter because they cancelled our accounts, deleting everything in one go, when we weren't prepared with a back up. We also got annoyed with the hall monitors on xitter, because they started taking screenshots of our content 'as evidence' or got our profiles onto the radar of the wayback machine. Here we don't have algorithms for engagement farming, we enjoy self-expression, and occasionally we banter with others of like mind. Most of our notes are shitposts and chatter, like writing little notes in class and passing them round. If there's an occasional deep thought, we can capture this and broadcast it elsewhere, in a seemingly more permanent format, for example long form. I'd like to think that relays or other servers are motivated to archive long form, and don't easily forget or lose these more intentional works during the nukenings, and that may become the case. Other protocols like IPFS were all about this, decentralised storage of files and other content for the long term. But what are these relays anyway? Services running in the cloud, ultimately managed by a few 'centralized' providers (e.g. cloudflare) that could flush the content or make it disappear. Yes, we hope there are copies out there that would resurface, but honestly that's needle in a haystack if you're not keeping a record of the ID for every note you send... and you don't have your own back up. That's my amateur perspective, I haven't started messing around with relays yet. But in the end, if you want something archiving, and you think it's worthwhile the effort of archiving it for posterity, you'd best be doing it yourself. Otherwise, it's okay that stuff is lost and forgotten, it's actually really okay... we have a right to be forgotten, and in that forgetting, we have room to grow. nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqhjlc9p5ey5teh96d7qpskw4ywp5zzfjjxvql5mwxwm5zcun6k3vqyf8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnvw5hxkef0qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0qqsxahv8dqwt34awja5fvm87fhcfwg5j3zd3dey09z96vp4nehz9zsq6ln39t

since nostr is NOT company product - u have self-learn it urself - invest in learing or if u planning big with nostr platform hookup some dev - relays are heart bits of nostr NOT in cloud NOT controlled one or few enitity

any longterm mass archival service (data warehousing) blogs n useful notes (excluding GM/GN/PV) can only happen with commercial angle only e.g. DVM or zapadvertising or ad-based - at local group or personal data level or bookmarked notes (txt only no images) - is very small - anyone can easily do backup on yearly basis. so relays getting nuked dont matter.

I read this a couple of days ago, which got me thinking about what the relays are sitting on https://simplifiedprivacy.com/nostr-relays-by-company/ by nostr:nprofile1qyv8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnsd3jkyum5wghxxmmd9uq3jamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3k7mfwv96j7qgnwaehxw309ac82unsd3jhqct89ejhxtcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5hszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qpq4slk4lshtylkrqg9z0dvng09gn58h88frvnax7uga3v0h25szj4q2u7cam But otherwise, yeah we're in agreement... your note got me thinking about archiving good and bad. I'm still annoyed about the wayback machine though... could be my ticket to the gulag 😳

Regarding Nostr, If the CDN frontends for your relays were cut at the same time in an attack, the content would still exist on that start9 on your local drive, but your followers wouldn't be able to find it (at least temporarily, depending on how much control you still had over the DNS). Regarding Lightning, It depends on the wallet's implementation for privacy. GetAlby allows Cloudflare (and therefore the US government) to see ALL transactions