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 948 people in our SimpleX group,

Let's get to 1k.  We'll do some cool events, like interviews with smart guests.

https://simplex.chat/contact#/?v=2-5&smp=smp%3A%2F%2FSkIkI6EPd2D63F4xFKfHk7I1UGZVNn6k1QWZ5rcyr6w%3D%40smp9.simplex.im%2FxPXefPbN7ZAkPyMKzJmQrFD_fv55R6w_%23%2F%3Fv%3D1-2%26dh%3DMCowBQYDK2VuAyEALLyynGdXLoWke3pIt1CrR00p62eT0ewpKEaWn542gWA%253D%26srv%3Djssqzccmrcws6bhmn77vgmhfjmhwlyr3u7puw4erkyoosywgl67slqqd.onion&data=%7B%22type%22%3A%22group%22%2C%22groupLinkId%22%3A%22n99NTwZLjeKwyI4lwMHB_g%3D%3D%22%7D

 
 Nice try, fed. Had enough from Telegram, already saw this movie before.

There is simply no privacy when by default we are using your VC-funded client and VC-funded servers, no matter how you try to paint us dumb.

Now is NOSTR all the way. Has thousands of random servers, tens of different client implementations and zero VC-funding. 
 You got a lot of nerve calling me a fed, when I'm literally shilling XMPP every day over the same point you made. 
 Sorry, are you confirming to be a fed or trying to prove you're not?

Because XMPP was always known for ZERO privacy, reason why even Google  (#1 fed friendly) adopted it decades ago.

On the other hand, NOSTR messages are truly E2EE and distributed across hundreds of relays. Doesn't get much comfier than here, fren.

 
 I believe you would benefit from the educational materials on our website.  And I'm excited to share this knowledge with you.

XMPP is the gold standard for the darkweb, known for OMEMO and OTR encryption.  

Nostr metadata is out in the open.  The clients don't all have the gift wrap, only a few do.  And the new gift wrap v3 isn't audited last I heard.  Also without the gift wrap, there's no rotating keys, so then you might as well use Session which follows a similar model with relays and encryption as identity. 
 Sincerely don't know anyone still using XMPP today, was used like 15 years ago and died long ago. If there is something like a gold standard, today that would be Telegram. Followed by IRC and plain forum sites for everything else. My preference would be BBS but even that is gone now.

NOSTR is more private by default than XMPP, all defects you point the finger are applicable to XMPP when working at federal level. At least NOSTR has room to grow, to use techniques like I2P between server to server communication and then also with clients.  
 Retarded 
 Without threading, all of these apps offer a horrible experience especially if you check them once in a while : (
nostr:nprofile1qqsvnx99ww0sfall7gpv2jtz4ftc9v6wevgdd7g4hh7awkpfvwlezugpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhs38wxc9

 
 how do you know simplex has no threading? 
 I (try to) use it. Can't see any way to create themimn the UI... 

Are you saying it does have them? 
 no, not sure

@Guy Van Sanden 
 Simplex doesn't have threading. That would be nice though the lack of mentions is way worse... 
 I think it's best to use nostr:nprofile1qqspwwwexlwgcrrnwz4zwkze8rq3ncjug8mvgsd96dxx6wzs8ccndmcpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqpzfmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujue3h0ghxjmcpzamhxue69uhkummnw3ezuendwsh8w6t69e3xj7sak9fte private message over Nostr. 
 hows the privacy work? its gift wrapped? 
 Among other things. I’m using MLS protocol under the hood.