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 #Watching the TV3 election debate with leaders from TPM, Greens, Winston First and ACT:

https://piped.video/watch?v=db6k68wgwHA

It annoys me that the news media  elevated the leaders of the legacy parties to their own private Chrisfest, instead of having a leaders debate that included these 4. That would have been a much more robust and insightful debate than listening to rolls of two human wallpaper dribbling talking points at each other.

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#TV #TV3 #NewshubNation #PowerbrokersDebate #Election2023 
 More importantly, the news media have no right to be picking election winners in advance. Regardless of the realpolitik of what politics geeks know is likely and unlikely, in theory any of the party leaders could be PM (or co-PM?) after Oct. So any election leaders debate should be inclusive.

Sure, you can't include every registered party, they wouldn't all fit on stage. But they could set a reasonable cutoff, like polling over 3% in at last 3 election year polls.

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 More importantly, the news media have no right to be picking winners in advance. Regardless of what politics geeks know is likely and unlikely, in theory any of the party leaders could be PM (or co-PM?) after an election. So any leaders debate should be inclusive of all of them, to avoid prejudicing the result.

Sure, they can't include every registered party, they wouldn't all fit on the stage. But they could set a reasonable cutoff, like polling over 3% in at last 3 election year polls.

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 It really pisses me off that David Seymour keep implicitly claiming kura kaupapa were created by their charter school policy. A US privatisation model shoehorned into the NZ education system in 2011.

The first kura kaupapa was set up no later than 1985 (Te Kura Kaupapa Māori o Hoani Waititi). By 2011 there were dozens. Since 1989, the Special Character Designation policy has allowed them to operate autonomously within the public education system, :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_Special_Character_schools

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#KuraKaupapa 
 David Seymour admitted that having 10,000 people in prison, costs the public $7 per week for every man, woman, and child in the country. That's a lot to spend.

Especially when it's well known that people who spend time in prison are more likely to reoffend, and to commit more serious crimes when they do, than when the criminal justice system responds in other ways (eg restorative justice).

https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2023/09/21/being-tough-on-crime-is-easy-but-doesnt-work.html

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#Election2023 #ACT #LawAndOrder #prisons 
 I'd really like to see an election debate where the host has a button to turn off each speaker's microphone. As soon as any of them starts delivering a scripted talking point, they immediately lose the floor to the next speaker. By having their mic turned off if they don't yield to the host.

Imagine a cross between a debate and an episode of The Weakest Link.

#elections #ElectionDebates 
 "Seriously though, if we get you two across the Cabinet table from each other, we've all seen tonight what that looks like."

#RebeccaWright, Newshub Nation Powerbrokers Debate, 2023

https://piped.video/watch?v=db6k68wgwHA

Good call. There were two sets of potential coalition partners on that stage. One set looked the makings of a coalition of chaos, for sure, but it wasn't Marama and Debbie ; )

#NZPolitics #Election2023 
 In the Chrisfest on Sept 19, Hipkins ruled out a wealth tax. In the "Powerbrokers" debate 2 days later, both Marama Davidson and Debbie Ngarewa-Packer made it clear that it will be a bottom line for their parties, in post-election negotiations.

So if Hipkins wants a full term as PM, he can declare a change of heart now, showing voters Labour can work with them. Or he flip-flop on it after the election having campaigned against it, and look either weak or dishonest.

#NZPolitics #Election2023 
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And then every one of the fired public servants will be replaced by a contractor who belongs to The Party.