Transitive closure in Goodman and Quine's system In the <a href="https://alexanderpruss.blogspot.com/2024/11/goodman-and-quine-and-shared-bits.html" rel="nofollow">previous post</a>, I showed that <a href="https://sites.pitt.edu/~rbrandom/Courses/2023%20Sellars/Sellars%20texts/Goodman-StepsTowardConstructive-1947.pdf" rel="nofollow">Goodman and Quine’s</a> counting method fails for objects that have too much overlap. I think (though the technical parts here are more difficult) that the same is true for their definition of the ancestral or transitive closure of a relation. GQ showed how to define ancestors in terms of offspring. We can try to extend this definition to the transitive closure of any relation R over a kind K of entities (say, organisms): x stands in the transitive closure of R to y iff x and y are K and x is a part of every object u that has y as a part and that is such that whenever z is K and is a part of u then every K that has R to z is a part of u. This works fine if the Ks do not overlap. But if they do overlap, it can fail. For instance, suppose we have three atoms a, b and c, and a relation R that holds between a + b and a + b + c and between a and a + b. Then any object u that has a + b + c as a part has c as a part, and so (1) would imply that c stands in the transitive closure of R to a + b + c, which is false. Can we find some other definition of transitive closure using the same theoretical resources (namely, mereology) that works for overlapping objects? No. Let’s work in models with a countably infinite number of mereological atoms and a successor relation between the mereological atoms that satisfies the standard axioms for a successor relation. (E.g., these models might correspond to worlds where the atoms pop into existence sequentially.) Say that an object y stands in the one-plus relation to an object x iff x is a part of y and there is exactly one atom of y that is not a part of x. An object y is finite iff there is an atom x such that y stands in the transitive closure of one-plus to x. Given objects x and y, let Kxy(z) if and only if z is a fusion of a part of x and a part of y. For nonoverlapping x and y, let Rxyuv just in case Kxy(u) and Kxy(v), and the overlap of v with x stands in one-plus to the overlap of u with x, while the overlap of v with y stands in one-plus to the overlap of u with y. Say that x is equinumerous0 to y provided that x and y don’t overlap and are both finite and an object consisting of two atoms is in the transitive closure of Rxy to the fusion of x and y. Say that x is equinumerous to y provided that they are both infinite or they are both finite and there is a z that is equinumerous0 to each of x and y. So, we now have equinumerosity defined for collections of atoms. Given the correspondence between GQ’s system and monadic second-order logic, if we can define equinumerosity in terms of parthood and the successor relation, we have violated the result in the answer https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/619131/can-equinumerosity-by-defined-in-monadic-second-order-logic . Since the one tool over and beyond parthood and successor relation we used in the proof is transitive closure, it follows that that could not have been definable in terms of parthood and the successor relation. https://alexanderpruss.blogspot.com/2024/11/transitive-closure-in-goodman-and.html