Let me just explain why I am pro-choice:

I don't think human life is all that sacred. By that I mean every potential person to be conceived shouldn't automatically have the right to be born. Especially if by giving that right to the embryo it strips the woman of her rights and autonomy.

 That doesn't mean I lack empathy or don't care about human suffering. My pro choice stance is about preventing suffering by keeping unwanted children from ever existing. Every child deserves to be born into a loving family. Forcing a woman to have a child they may not want will likely rob that child of that opportunity.

It also forces the woman into a role she may not be ready for. Women should be able to decide when they have a child, both will be better off if the child is planned. Women can be sure they are at a point in life where they can provide the best future for the child if they have the option to abort if they get pregnant before they are ready. If they get pregnant unexpectedly they will be forced to adjust their whole life around the massive responsibility of caring for a child. They may have to give up their educational and career aspirations. They may settle for a partner that they normally would not have seen as worthy to have children with.

I could go on but I really don't want to. This whole topic is a minefield and I think it boils down to that some people think every human life is sacred and deserves a chance and I don't think that. Their beliefs are often rooted in religion and that's where all rational thought goes out the window. Are you religious? Because if so then we should switch over to talking about that because I think that's the mistaken belief that many bad beliefs stem from.


I never said the cells weren't life or if I did that was a mistake. I said the cells are not a person.

I don't want to discuss it because I think we are going to have different definitions for things, as well as different moral beliefs. We are essentially going to be speaking different languages and it will be a waste of time.


I'm sure more people do want to have children, but the current state of society makes that seem impossible. So of course people are depressed when they want children, but don't think they can properly care for them. We should (and as Bitcoiners we are) fighting for a more equitable world where those who do want children are able to follow through with that desire.


You said "most" empowering while also claiming that empowering women is virtue signaling. Whatever you meant to say, you need to work on your messaging.


I said clump of cells, not fetus. The fetal stage begins at 10 weeks. Women usually find out they are pregnant at 6 weeks. There's a 4 week window when I think abortion should be definitely be allowed. I'm not willing to debate this further.


I'm pretty sure there is going to be a fundamental disagreement between us about what constitutes a child. I'm my opinion a small clump of cells is not yet a person and therefore there is nothing wrong with terminating it before it becomes a person. That is a better option than having a child that is unwanted or that the mother does not have the resources to properly care for.

I want to get back to your original post because otherwise we will be here all day going around in circles. You call empowering women virtue signaling. To me empowering women is about giving them choices.

I am reading between the lines of your posts and I think you are a misogynist. The arguments I am making are not about women, they are about you and your very narrow view of women's role in society. I don't think having children puts them in a subservient role, but I think you want them in a subservient role and forcing them to have children is a means to that end. If this were not the case you wouldn't be against empowering women to do what they want.

You make a blanket statement that having children is the most empowering thing a woman can do. You do not seem to think of them as individuals when you say this. Every woman is different and has her own wants and desires. Your experience is completely anecdotal yet you apply it to everyone.

You can respond if you want, but I'm done.


It's only the most important role for people who choose to do it. We don't all need to have babies. Humanity is not at any risk of dying out because some people choose not to.


Do you think a woman that is raped and then can't get an abortion because it's been made illegal feels empowered? How about a teenager that gets pregnant and has to completely reorganize their life and future plans, do you think they feel empowered? Getting pregnant and having kids is I'm sure very empowering for those who choose it, but not all women want that and some don't get the choice.


I apologize for my language and tone. If you want to have a discussion I can remain civil.

Neither of us can speak for women. The difference between my position and yours is I leave it up to them to decide while you have decided for them.

Believing that women's most important role in society is to have babies is antiquated and a symptom of a system where men hold all the power. Women in a homemaking role give up their autonomy and become reliant on the man, which opens them up to abuse. Some men are attracted to this dynamic because it gives them more leeway to take advantage of the power imbalance. This is not always the case. Sometimes this dynamic can work out great for both parties. I'm just saying it's ripe for abuse.

Society has evolved. Family is whatever a person wants it to be. To say that the nuclear family is the best and most important for society as if you are some moral authority is arrogance. Having children is not a great accomplishment, most people on the planet are capable of doing that. Likewise having children does not suddenly grant you some great wisdom and authority on the subject. I know this is going to be insulting and I'm sorry, but if your greatest accomplishment is that you creampied in a woman then I think you need to reevaluate your life.

The power dynamic between the sexes is changing. With 8 billion people on the planet procreation is not seen as such a vital thing to contribute to humanity. If women don't feel they have to have babies to contribute that gives them options for how they want to live their life, which gives them more power and men that want them to remain subservient don't like that.


Wasn't complaining. I've already decided my net gain from zaps will be negative.


No you.


I don't get more sats than I zap.


i'M dErEkRoSs. i'M sO oLd ScHoOl AnD 1337.


sArCaSm HaSn'T fOuNd A wAy tO bE dIsPlAyEd ViA tExT yEt.


I'm in.


It's still early days. There will be safer clients from trusted parties if it takes off.


He trying to hack my brain.


Musk's reputation is exactly why I DON'T trust Twitter.


Pleb checking in.


This is what it looks like for me when I click on my profile:

https://i.imgur.com/pTBYlMY.png


Depends on client I think. I can on astral.ninja


a34 is Saylor supposedly (confirmed by Jack). Who is c49?


Eat shit Elon.