Are you allowed to criticize bitcoin?


Paypal transactions are not public.  Bitcoin transactions are.  Every single one.  Even lightning devs admit its inconvenient and difficult to use.  Most people don't know how bitcoin works or how to get hold of it,  let alone want to set up a lightning node in their home. Which leaves it to signing up with alby custodial  or similar (no more private than paypal), and even that is complicated for average person who definitely does use paypal without much difficulty.  I hate paypal, i WISH bitcoin was more convenient and more private, but wishing it does not make it so.


Apple is rotten,  full of maggots.


OK do you have link where i can find  more info on this?   From what I understand no client supports this yet.  And each client will also still restrict which relays can be accessed because of filters (necessary becayse you don't want your client accessing any old relay in the background).  Every major relay will end up following the same spam/rules/filters , and others will be ignored.  I don't see how the gossip method will work without filling peoples clients with spam or unwanted content/connections.  What am I missing?


Nobody ever asks : who do all these nations owe debts too exactly?  If America owes money and China owes money and Europe owes money and the rest of the world owes lots  more  money than either of these, then who exactly is this money owed to?


There is no debt.  Any nation with a sovereign currency has no financial constraints.  It prints its own money .  All dollars are produced by the US govnt as and when they see fit.  That they claim  they need to 'borrow' from private sector the currency that they print is a farce.   A king doesn't borrow gold coins with his head on it to pay of his debts in gold coins to himself.  Well  it does now.  That's the farce.


But if bitcoiners arent on twitter because they are on Nostr, then how will anybody hear about the merits of bitcoin except for the people on Nostr, who are already Bitoiners?  Foot shoots foot.


99.999999999999999% of people install phone this way or in same way with google play. Nobody at signal mentions this, anyobody who puts  a 'secure messaging' app  on a play or apple store is not trustworthy, and every one of those app devs knows  it, they know, but  create the links anyway!    Push notifications scandal? Why did nobody  spot this. Not one high security app developer even suspected it was possible?


Less likely than a hook in signal.


yes


Paypal is cheaper and easier. Visa, mastercard, fiat, all much much easier and cheaper and more private.  Terrible systems, but still better than lightning in every single way.


The hate is spreading.  Kill all humans!


By this logic everyone would abandon their kids.  And you know what, people do.  This is that mentality.  Only love and #socialism  can fix this.


Keep spreading the hate odell.  You ruin nostr.


Its a good rule of thumb:  sign up == dogshit software


Its crazy that there are only 3 browser engines in the whole world.  All of them  built by American corporations.  No other country has built one.  In 25 years, only 3 can be used, an mostly everyone uses just 1.?  This is one of the strangest conspiracies nobody has noticed to make a theory about.


Joplin.   Open source, and you can self host without paying a cent, also can use S3 buckets etc.  Unlike Standard Notes which keeps changing their subscription/lock in etc.  Got stung by them, never again.  Joplin has hundreds of plugins too.


Will this be much different on Nostr tho?   Won't everyone on Nostr just go where the biggest relay (or biggest/best client-with-own-relay) is.  Already most people connect to the same 3 well known relays.


suffer from frustration, dissatisfaction, stress, anxiety, anger ?

Then you are a trumper!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/29/donald-trump-americans-us-culture-republican

Monbiot is the king of propagandist gaslighting.

A world in which monbiot is empathetic to people who have reason to be stressed, angry and frustrated.  Well that is the greatest irony of all.


Mouth ulcers are caused by viruses. Herpes related.  They infect nerve cells and remain dormant for much of your life. Until they don't.  Its probable an environmental trigger  causes their activation (but not known), however an open dry mouth would cause more rapid cell destruction than a moist one , and like bolting in plants, may trigger the virus to 'bolt and spread.'.


Absolutely love the thought process here.  Questions are often  more interesting than the answers.  And also more important.


followed by a supply glut.  ETFs are a way for BR to keep BTC  undermined and controlled in order to protect fiat.  Thats why ETFs were approved.   They want to  hypervolatilize Bitcoin, even if it costs them.


what part of what Seth said is wrong?  Please be specific.


none of those issues are wrong tho?  Addressing them with answers would be better than a meme that has Odell tell himself he has an IQ of 145.   'Nostr is great don't question it' doesn't help nostr.


what does this mean for bitcoin?


What happened to stay humble.?


More people use monero than nostr.


No.  Nostr is a WIP , a simple protocol, not much different to email with lots of flaws.  Useful.  Lots of potential.  However Bitcoin was a revolutionary masterpeice from the day it was released to the public.


odell gives Ray Trapani vibes.


https://blog.cloudflare.com/encrypted-client-hello/

can some kind of ECH setup fix the ip leak issue?


great #nostr privacy awareness info from the #amethyst github page:

Privacy on Relays & nostr
Your internet protocol (IP) address is exposed to the relays you connect to. If you want to improve your privacy, consider utilizing a service that masks your IP address (e.g. a VPN) from trackers online.

The relay also learns which public keys you are requesting, meaning your public key will be tied to your IP address.

Relays have all your data in raw text. They know your IP, your name, your location (guessed from IP), your pub key, all your contacts, and other relays, and can read every action you do (post, like, boost, quote, report, etc) with the exception of Private Zaps and Private DMs.

DM Privacy
While the content of direct messages (DMs) is only visible to you and your DM counterparty, everyone can see when you and your counterparty DM each other.

Visibility & Permanence of Your Content on nostr
Information Visibility
Content that you share can be shared to other relays. Information that you share publicly is visible to anyone reading from relays that have your information. Your information may also be visible to nostr users who do not share relays with you.

Information Permanence
Information shared on nostr should be assumed permanent for privacy purposes. There is no way to guarantee edit or deletion of any content once posted.

#cybersecgirl #privacytechpro #amethyst #nostr

https://github.com/vitorpamplona/amethyst?tab=readme-ov-file#privacy-on-relays--nostr


Zaps are front and centre of every Nostr client, I think this focus is a a turnoff for the average normal person looking for a twitter  alternative.  Few people on earth care much for bitcoin , few understand it many actively distrust it .  But worse still, almost  nobody understands lightning (and lightning is even harder to use / understand than bitcoin). And who wants to switch to a platform they don't understand and lets be honest never will.  Lightning is HARD!


What do you think of veilid Seth?.  Is it more promising than Nostr?  https://veilid.com/

Seems like it could solve a lot of problems nostr can't.


An interesting point.   Maybe you could use local AI to rewrite stuff in the style of someone else ?  The internet is a never ending arms race against big brother.


That's reasonable.  I don't think everyone understands it that way.  And for sure people do want privacy from their twitter alternative.  That's why nip04 got dumped.


Because 'better' does not mean 'private' and if people don't understand that then they may get into problems.


Hilarious that no one on Nostr seems to know that pseudonymity != privacy and yet try to use Nostr being "private" to dunk on anyone who still uses other social media.

You're not going to want to hear this, but Nostr is VERY BAD for privacy, but great for pseudonymity.

For most people, Nostr directly ties their HOME IP ADDRESS to their nym and publishes this correlation to a dozen servers they don't control for all to see.

While being pseudonymous is pretty easy on Nostr, being private requires a good, always-on non-logging VPN, or even better connecting to relays only through Tor at a bare minimum.


Payment is tied to identity, meta data at the mimimum.  People don't want that.  They want privacy and control. If nostr takes that route users might as well stick with twitter and hand over their cash to elon.


agree, I won't pay musk, and I sure as hell aint paying randos to use their relays or clients on an obscure network that doesn't offer the thing that currently sets it apart from twitter premium: payments.


The vast (VAST) majority are not.  Of course a minority will pay for nostr, but thats not a popular social network.  Its a niche small network that will be largely as useless as it is unwanted and uneeded..


Agree, bitcoin enthusiasts are ruining the Nostr ethos.  Its rare to here a Nostr dev mention he word nostr more than the word bitcoin in he same sentence


Number 7 is the only one that matters, thats is what will kill nostr and its ethos..  Few users are  gonna pay to move to nostr  when they can pay to stay on twitter with the same problems.  Its impossible to tell any  nostrdev this because their job (or their billionaire CEO wannabe complex) depends upon their not understanding it.


I don't want to pay for a subscription to use Nostr, it means handing over identity and financial metadata as a minimum, many people come to nostr to avoid just that crap but also so we are not dependent on 'entrepreneurs' 'monetising our speech.  That isn't freedom. Capitalists hoping to make a quick bitcoin buck from Nostr are the problem not the solution. What if nostr ISN'T meant to be profitable.  It needs to be run with little or no finance.  Or it isn't worth much more  than paying musk for twitter


Nostr is a great protocol, sadly most devs in the community are more obsessed with finding a way to use it to  make money with bitcoin than anything else Nostr might have to offer.  What if Nostr won't make anybody rich?  Well, its going to go nowhere as almost all the devs are wannabe billionaire CEOs who talk the talk of creating freedom, and free software but don't have the imagination to understand why that actually matters let alone to want it.


My gawd this sounds shit.  Nostr is doomed if the brightest minds working on it have no new ideas.


Agree, except it is critical mass not monetisation that matters.  Free, non-profit, open source community coded nostr is the only social network that can offer an alternative to centralised systems like twitter.  Money corrupts absolutely.  It will corrupt the code. It will corrupt the ethos. it will corrupt the entire point of nostr.


One client will ALWAYS dominate.  That applies to almost all  competing software ever made.


If nostr isnt free, open , easy to use and NOT FOR PROFIT or self hosted then it isn't really offering anything Elon Musk isn't.   There were many twitter alternatives that failed because nobody was on there.    Nostr still has that latter problem but being open, free and censorship free might swing it.  Paid relays remove any real world advantage.


nobody wants to hand out their payment details, especially to an unknown server on a little used network.


nobody (well, almost nobody) wants to pay a centralised authority to use social media, those that do already pay Elon Musk.  Nostr is losing its mojo because its incompatible with capitalist greed.


my bad.


Ah 'bottom sheet' that was the terminology I was looking for. Glad its staying.


Light version. I like the fact i don't have to open posts in new tabs so I don't lose my place in the time lime, I have never seen this  feature of opening windows within windows anywhere , many other websites and apps could benefit from this.  Its simple but brilliant  and a game changer for people like me who have to have a gazillion tabs open at once terrified of losing my place when surfing.  Honestly there is nothing I would change about coracle (except copy text is difficult) the fonts and colours are good too., easy on the eye.  And the relay lights/icons are super useful.  Thanks for your efforts.


Man, you're diving deep. Bitcoin's blockchain is transparent, yeah. Every transaction's out there for snooping if someone wants to.

Fiat can be more private in some ways—like cash deals that leave no digital trace.

CBDCs? They're a whole new game with different rules and limits.

Bitcoin ain't perfect on privacy, but it sparked the convo and innovation. Now we got privacy coins stepping up where BTC left off.

It’s all about finding balance and tools that fit the bill for what you need—privacy, freedom, or something else.
#PrivacyMatters #CryptoEvolution


it doesnt solve the problem of Nostr being flooded with fake opinions :  people get zapped by those who have the money to buy influence.  Thats the future of nostr.  Its a network where those who have money (esp powerful coprs and billionaires) can ensure the opinions of the public can be bought one by one, organically and annonymously.  It doesnt matter hoe many zaps a post gets, what matters is WHO zapped the post and WHY. And all we can say about that is that of its in the interests of rich and powerful, THEY WILL be zapping the most.


Aren't they just like twitter lists?  What am I missing?


Please don't. I love it as it is.


Monero was one of the early alt currencies. Yet none of the core Bitcoin devs have made any effort to make Bitcoin private.  They won't acknowledge fungibility is an issue.  Nostr devs are the same, pushing lightning is making the privacy issue even worse. They are so invested in Bitcoin they won't even talk about the privacy issue yet continue shouting 'freedom tech' every second post.  Its just weird.  None of the other issues with crypto: security, key handing quantum computing are much of a threat to its future than the  fungibility issue . Bitcoin is about to be made utterly useless to the majority of people who operate within the law.  The fungibility issue will see its total and permanent collapse in the next few years. Bitcoin is no threat to CBDCs , it shares its worse property: total control of who can and cannot spend where and when by state or corporate  bad actors.


The lightning network does not fix bitcoins fungability.  It actually makes it even worse. Alby etc are all tied to email addresses etc The lack of fungability in bitcoin  will make it worthless in the coming years for anyone except the elite  who are beyond the law (in the same way fiat allows them avoid tax but the rest cannot) .  Every bitcoin maxamilist knows this by now, which means every one of them is a scammer trying to push up the price before cashing out.


Bitcoin is the least private form of money invented, even fiat has more privacy.  If the govnt wanted to stop tax evasion there is no better tool than Bitcoin.  Every coin is traceable. Easily too. Even CBDCs are not being implemented for large store of values (to protect the super rich of course) - current proposals will have CBDCs capped at 20k per individual


Monero already solved the privacy problem. There's no more work to do.  Everything else is just lies and marketing by bitcoin holders hoping to get rich from the ignorance of others.  Bitcoiners are holding back decentralised private money without writing a single line of code.


Is a web only version of SimpleX on the cards so it can be run in a browser or is that not even possible ?


Bitcoin Bros don't want to know this truth.  Bitcoin is public.  The blockchain is monitored. You can't hide easily.  If the feds want to criminalise it they can and they will.  Cash will be easier,  hide under your mattress with your now useless crypto keys!


Well presumably apple also requires approval from the US/EU/UK govnts too.  Why is it worse when china requests approval.


c.  The internet has got really boring over the years.


poor you!


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