Just googled it, a bitcoin derivative. So there is bitcoin but it's hidden a bit. An attempt to hide bitcoin's Achilles heel, the global ledger?

Banks in my town create fiat money by lending it into existence and keep a ledger who in my town has what balance. There are several banks to choose from. Decentralization in the real world.


Uh oh next thing you say we don't need a global ledger either and then where is bitcoin.


For the time and money spent lol.


Klaus Wuestefeld is most famous for Prevayler (2003), the earliest implementation of event sourcing that I came across.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKlcErWtng

His ideas around p2p sovereign computing where intellectually dishonest though. Everyone wants sovereign computing, that's a no-brainer, but scalable decentralization is a hard problem that nostr too hasn't solved yet (the scalable part).

It's like coming up with "world peace" as a great idea. No shit. We all want world peace. But it's the how that's kind of hard. I'm doer, the self-proclaimed visionaries out there can take their "great ideas" and stick them somewhere.


Looks like it's back. Nothing to see here move on.


Welcome to Android that is.


Welcome sis.


Stock Android does these things just fine and  is a big step up from North Korea uhmmm Apple.


nostr:npub1jfn4ghffz7uq7urllk6y4rle0yvz26800w4qfmn4dv0sr48rdz9qyzt047 joined nostr for "free speech", but when it arrived, he wasn't prepared


1. SimpleX runs on public/private keypairs just like nostr but the UI to manage them separately from the database isn't there.

https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat/issues/2859

2. A browser-only SimpleX is totally feasible someone just has to write it.


Or just use nostr:npub1exv22uulqnmlluszc4yk92jhs2e5ajcs6mu3t00a6avzjcalj9csm7d828 ?


Oops meant to say

nostr:npub1exv22uulqnmlluszc4yk92jhs2e5ajcs6mu3t00a6avzjcalj9csm7d828 👍


nostr:npub1g7lqk25fl24xd0zh7hr8jgp5smdy2eszjh9nmv7z7w85h6xcs9hq4u8yd9 👍


Moon will be tomorrow. Of course tomorrow then it'll be tomorrow's tomorrow. It's tomorrows all the way down.


There's always one more tomorrow.


That or use Haskell?


It's not a bug, it's a feature.

If you can't force deletion of any of your notes across the system then we can hold you accountable for things you've said in the past.

Think of it like being live on TV. Once you've said something it'll go out on the airwaves and then it's out there and not coming back.

With nostr you're "live on TV" all the time.


No, under fiat you don't need to print extra money for the interest, the debtor just needs to perform some extra economic activity. The interest money comes out of extra cycles in the circulation.

The interest is a consequence of time preference and not a bug of the system.

Inflation rewards keeping money in circulation instead of hoarding it.

Without loans the economy would move incredibly slow. I can get $10k or $20 instantly tomorrow from the bank and much more with some formalities.

If I had to earn the money first it would take a long time.

That the government can lend money into existence is an additional feature in addition to bank loans but not a requirement of the system.

If you can't borrow Bitcoin, people and businesses would have to use what little they have.

Also deflation encourages hoarding which will remove more Bitcoin from circulation which reduces the Bitcoin supply for the economy which causes more deflation in a vicious cycle.

We all understand that and see that bitcoin is doomed from the get-go, in addition to all the implementation problems.

No Bitcoin person has ever attempted to run the tiniest of business. Not even a cafe at the corner. That's where their delusions come from.

Silvio Gesell wrote about all that in The Natural Economic Order.


Wouldn't 51% have to agree to switch algos.

If they can, 51% can also agree to anything else right?


Thanks. I can borrow fiat money either way. It's how I and anyone gets hold of fiat money and why we have a fiat economy.

I have a credit score and it's great.

Why can't this be done with Bitcoin. Wouldn't that be the first thing a currency would have to allow.


Wow this nostr:npub1yx6pjypd4r7qh2gysjhvjd9l2km6hnm4amdnjyjw3467fy05rf0qfp7kza person such a smart cookie.

Found the gaps in the system did he.

Oh my.


You wouldn't understand, millennial.


Also: https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat/issues/2859


Oooh 😃😃❤❤

Need to try this with Amethyst

Assuming this works we still need the certificate/"delegate" thing.


1992 called and wants their lawnmower man back.


spatial


2nd attempt to embed images

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_5570423206080163891707149952.webp


Some more pics from around my area. The trams are "public transport", a feature of civilized countries. You wouldn't understand.

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_5716590322384634681707149724.webp

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_6289980841833736691707149735.webp

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_6216756365440323841707149745.webp


Here's your DMs: nostr:npub1exv22uulqnmlluszc4yk92jhs2e5ajcs6mu3t00a6avzjcalj9csm7d828


Yeah both work pretty well in my area.

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_9339447794315214041707147553.webp

Where I live ^^


Pretty genius huh?


In the real world the government raises taxes to fund public infrastructure.


No idea. Amber is not a nostr app is it.


SimpleX:

You pick your receive, they pick your send.


Somehow I don't think that's what nostr:npub1a2cww4kn9wqte4ry70vyfwqyqvpswksna27rtxd8vty6c74era8sdcw83a had in mind referring to "graffiti on the cathedral".


What's the current interest on borrowing bitcoin? I'm struggling to find this information.


The country of Egypt exists for us to offload all the graffiti sprayers to.


If you consider yourself as part of the graffiti sprayer crowd please show yourself out.


Have you considered Android


Just use Android


Tr Android?


How about Android


I'll redistribute whatever


Lol dollars. 😜


Keep secret key outside any nostr app.

Using certificates/"delegates" possibly.


Either that or pray to Jesus


I hope your functional programming is up to scratch

https://curtclifton.net/papers/MoseleyMarks06a.pdf

http://www.cs.ucf.edu/~dcm/Teaching/COT4810-Fall%202012/Literature/Backus.pdf


The Lyn Aldens multiplying like rabbits on the decentralized substrate that is nostr.

nostr:note1khs75pxrx4eanhqvymyz4dfm6efhg9cpqkt4g7eujsyg2pn73crqmw6py8


Best promotion of dollars ever.


Is there something about bitcoin in this.


Don't you need skills for that.


Till Lindemann
Richard Kruspe
Paul Landers
Oliver Riedel
Christoph Schneider
Christian Lorenz


Einzwei Polizei.


Hmyeah like Emacs.


Mebbe this can be re-jigged to do the sha256

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_9436514663539543451706900900.webp


Now you just need hand-crank Bitcoin and you're ready to go full Amish!!


Lol nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m


I'm not aware of any financial tech that has been "torpedoed".


I do. Questions?


"Piles of cash". Great example of rich people having too much money lying around:

https://www.ft.com/content/eb2e085a-ef5a-4e91-8634-747e2a602fbe


Wait what you said wages and savings. That doesn't make sense. I thought of wages and costs.

If they are poor they have loans not savings that's how it works where I'm from.


"Their wages and savings get debased" if it's pure inflation then those get debased at the same rate what's your problem.

If they can buy fewer things from abroad then that's because the Egyptian Pound gets debased faster than the general trend. That's a problem with a shithole country not with inflation in general.

Where I'm from poor people have loans whereas rich people are lenders so the poor win.


Blasphemy.


nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m did this really work

https://www.livemint.com/market/cryptocurrency/jack-dorsey-s-square-to-invest-5-million-to-build-solar-powered-bitcoin-mine-11622970278026.html


$1700 <-- oooh, dollars! 😀❤💵


Pic of a solar powered mining farm?


Meant to post this as a reply here.

nostr:note13w29y5sg99h90rl76grxuyp3q8paqftf8vkxum55a50tahqhdrfsfchv6z


Use of Bitcoin requires participation in the techno-industrial economy. If you want to go Amish do like the Amish and use cash dollars.


reign.

No can haz English eh?


Dollars.only obviously.


You can use shares as collateral but it's riskier.


Yay nostr:npub1exv22uulqnmlluszc4yk92jhs2e5ajcs6mu3t00a6avzjcalj9csm7d828


Centralization yay


The problem with suckers like nostr:npub1ftgql53mfq5hvjmd0lvnscwp9lnfkxm2tsjesj5nc46uhhhamwvqnhzxwh is that they're not being removed from our society fast enough.


Do you have PayPal so I can send you some $$$.


Computer 1000x a Cray-2 now called a "device"


I didn't see any bitcoin


I wouldn't have the slightest idea which queues are Alice and Bob.

I can log IP addresses for what it's worth but I think hiding IP is a job for a different layer.

I also can't see groups or group membership as groups only exist on the client.


I run a server, smp.hankhub.net, and have examined the protocol in great detail.


@simplex servers know nothing about their users or groups even, what have you been smoking

Stop spreading FUD.

nostr:note1h4tsakqnl6m0ldjmdf5etd0ml5zu2u25zw7vhxanneyquexqntvsxy6rsu


Hey wait aren't you breathing *my* air.


It appears you are looking for @simplex


With Bitcoin that wouldn't have happened?


What does the bible say.


The mainstream doesn't use git either. That's not a bug that's a feature.


KEEP THE RIFF RAFF OUT OF MY PROTOCOL


All the computer literacy of a Visual Basic coder


Or Wireguard


Or `apt-get install openvpn`


Linux comes with IPSEC in the kernel and is literally a few lines of config to set up.


Love it when wrong people fuck around


IRC is a platform/protocol that runs just fine on altruism, so is IPFS, Bittorrent etc.


nostr:npub1a2cww4kn9wqte4ry70vyfwqyqvpswksna27rtxd8vty6c74era8sdcw83a has a cassette player she found in her attic oh wow that's so totally edgy is it not?


Like Christopher McCandless


Their pub sub mechanism overlaps with nostr: https://blog.ipfs.tech/25-pubsub/


Minus the Bitcoin of course.


This. Totally.

IPFS has ambitions to integrate git: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipld-git

There's been attempts at integrating IPFS with nix: https://github.com/obsidiansystems/ipfs-nix-guide/blob/master/tutorial.md


Cool you could use it as e.g. a door stopper.


https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=284

"The contemporary shanzhai are rebellious, individualistic, underground, and self-empowered innovators."


https://interjectedfuture.com/crdts-turned-inside-out/

Dis good.


Oy vey, the blasphemy!


The heathen said something against Bitcoin.


Try Android?


Market price.


Chakra will deliver whatever Bitcoin may be missing


#shitholecountry


https://nitter.net/btcdukes/status/1749208719273976156 #m

This is fantastic can all Bitcoiners please move there so that the rest of us can get on with our lives.


Your recurring reminder that space on Earth is limited.

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_3661408023340087861705971002.webp


Or Haskell


Yay nostr:npub1exv22uulqnmlluszc4yk92jhs2e5ajcs6mu3t00a6avzjcalj9csm7d828


With Bitcoin that wouldn't have hap... aaah wait.


Beanie Babies

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-17/coinbase-argues-crypto-like-beanie-babies-in-sec-case-hearing


With Bitcoin that wouldn't have happened?


Capitalism running out of factory fodder

https://nitter.net/NateSilver538/status/1748228784103338301 #m


Your Bitcoins are worth zero.


Sounds the same to me.


Bitcoiners want the higher wages that come with inflation but not the higher expenses. Having a cake and eating it too. What do you have to offer for them.


I miss $1.80/hr wages. I just earn way too much these days.


Bitcoin propaganda wants me to believe that the government "can just print money". Why is there a shortage then.


You forgot: Bitcoin finally becomes money

Ahh I wouldn't bet on this one ...


Works for nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m and for me.


I always make a donation to the church after I beat my wife.

Two opposite plays ...


Sounds like exactly the kind of thing nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m would build.


They use dollars not Bitcoin.


Btw something like that is what evolved into PageRank in the end.


Great book on money and the economy:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Natural_Economic_Order

The solution to today's financial woes is to debase money even much faster.

Was turned into a movie, too: http://www.epofilm.com/en/movie/the-money-maker/


Haskell has a copying garbage collector for that reason. You can't use the wrong tool for the job and then complain it doesn't work well.


Nature knew what it was doing.

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_1176774686593484781705585179.webp


Spot on. That's why functional programming is such a huge paradigm shift.

Since I found out that apps like nostr:npub1exv22uulqnmlluszc4yk92jhs2e5ajcs6mu3t00a6avzjcalj9csm7d828 are written in Haskell I wouldn't touch anything else.


I second that, that's how we design event-based systems in computer science like "event sourcing" databases, or git commits ("commit" is a verb) or commutative CRDTs (CmRDTs).

"Verbs not nouns" isn't bravado, it's a good design philosophy to have, a rule of thumb to check whether you're doing it right.


I'm not keeping you


2024 celebratory freedom mug

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_7100625931055135291705449609.webp


Amen.


YHBT


The barriers you're experiencing in the fiat system are there to keep your shithole country at arm's length from our pristine civilized world. It's not a bug, it's a feature.


Maybe move to a civilized country.


Bitcoin fund denominated in dollars. Exactly my sense of humor.


Look at the prices. Coudda sold it for $$$.

https://www.uraniumstore.com/


If the only thing you can buy with Bitcoin is money then this matters a lot.


Zackly.


Marc's S.F. novel is literary fast food but has some of his ideas in it about organizing future society:

https://www.amazon.com/Earthweb-Marc-Stiegler/dp/067157809X


The e-rights team ar HP back in the day was way ahead of things in many respects.


Footage of Amish using Bitcoin

https://m.facebook.com/PeterSantenello/videos/inside-amish-auction/270880085112183/


Even pure uranium is tame. Nucleae fission needs some degree of enrichment.


Notepad


https://nitter.net/Austen/status/1744998262271332758 #m

What we need is directive 10-289.


You're offering what in return for our wisdom?


Don't compare Nostr to email because Nostr is broadcast and email is one-to-one.

Nostr works because it's populated by a bitcoin in-group.

Wait until relays receive the first DCMA takedown notices or child porn. That'll be the end real quick.


*It was

Where's the nostr edit button.


US slaves didn't "take their freedom". It wasn't granted to them by the North through a bloody protracted war.


The government also regulates gambling. That doesn't make casino chips a viable currency.


Footage of investor investing in Bitcoin

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_6416319827379592021705225923.webp


Thr tooth fairy will sort it out. I'm sure of that.


No one will accept your Bitcoins for goods and services, never has, never will.


Your Bitcoins are worth zero


"Career opportunities in agriculture", ca. 1850.

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_3255703224083948571705128555.webp


Brave Summariser will gladly explain the advantages of creamer over milk for you

https://search.brave.com/search?q=creamer+vs+milk&source=android

But in the end why worry about something that you consume a mere 15ml of.


Apple, the home of freedom tech.


"delegations" are called "certificates" in TLS/X.509 why invent new terminology


I believe bananas should be free.


Sort of like

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_4495431672497677391704974294.webp


Pro tip: A bit of WD40 will get the caps key unstuck.


He's writing in all capital letters surely he's in the right.


Reminder that the People's Front of Judaea is the only one that truly cares about the people of Judea unlike the Judaean People's Front.


Your Bitcoins are worth zero. That's why not everyone does it.


There are plenty of Android clients what's your problem.

You can create your own too.


Do you want some of my Enron shares.


Hey can the SEC relist Enron too while they're at it. I still have some shares ...


Maybe that Oija board can summon some spirits that accept Bitcoin as payment when no one else does.


Oh noes the People's Front of Judaea vs. the Judaean People's Front.


Ah, the profitable Bitcoin business. The Yeti ate it I think. Or Bigfoot?


It's the cloak of legitimacy Bitcoin is craving


Aye


Hm Bitcoiners self-esteem so low they are vying for recognition from the government.


You.forgot the transformative hermeneutics of quantum gravity


Obligatory talk from the inventor of TCP and how it doesn't fit in today's internet.

Nostr is a great example for his idea of content-centric networking albeit not at the scale he's hoping for.

https://youtu.be/gqGEMQveoqg


Lol


"Bucks" = dollars, presumably.

I mean, if course.

Why was I thinking for a second it'd be anything else.


India also has a lot of ashrams: https://www.tripsavvy.com/popular-ashrams-in-india-1539894


You offered nothing and got nothing in return. Seems like a fair deal.


Please post a graph of the price of a loaf of bread in USD over the decades superimposed on a graph of the price of the same loaf in satoshis.


Is this projected to continue; can the owner justify investments into his business knowing they will earn less and less return going forward.


That headset microphone makes it totally legit.


Please share the items you bought, their prices and please inquire to the owner how much these cost a year ago.


What did you have, how much was it and how did it compare to the price a year ago.


Amen.


Thanks will do next time.


Damn you Plebstr.


Somehow a space keeps appearing before the #


2nd. attempt

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania #/media/File%3ATulip_price_index1.svg


I've seen that chart.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania #/media/File%3ATulip_price_index1.svg

We're now at "Nov 25"


*it


Sticking to the man, 2024 edition.

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_9099520610863253321704435601.webp


Sticking it to the man, 2024 edition.


What are the specific gripes.

- I don't believe a DHT based on cryptographic hashes will scale in any way, scalable hashing requires some locality sensitivity.
- The incentives for hosting files and hash tables are poorly aligned, peer mostly works for someone else.
- No intrinsic support for discovery, IPNS and pubsub are tacked on as afterthoughts.

However understanding of distributed systems isn't great on nostr so I don't think it's these that are your gripes.


Don't have much time for this either unfortunately although I did quantum physics in college. It's on my reading list for when I retire. 😵💫


Same link w/o tracker: https://youtu.be/6Oa7y1nCN64


Lol Elmo begging for more factory fodder: https://youtu.be/6Oa7y1nCN64?si=63EX9L6ff0vV_6ZN


Uh oh wait until the drug wears off and reality sets in.


Seth Lloyd's "Programming the Universe" and Wojciech Zurek's work on Quantum Darwinism are required reading for anyone on the intersection of computer science and physics.


IPFS?


Dat headline on Gaza 😯😯😯


Sheet size went form 7in. to 6in. too


Zackly.

nostr:note1z6g4dz4gz5n7ydfae0ph5ftcx3evydnhz4r7k2l7axamxsymc0eqm8e7lk


No need to be condescending, your fellow citizens are just fine with their comprehension.


Normies will have to learn what "keys" are. They managed to learn what penicillin, microwaves and email is, they will manage this one too, no need to be condescending.

FIDO/"passkeys" are being pushed now, that's the avenue into the key lifestyle.

https://blog.google/technology/safety-security/passkeys-default-google-accounts/


Aye


I have ideas and plans there but not promising anything.


You're asking exactly the right question here. What's needed is some key management app similar to but not the same as iOS keychain or Android/Google Password Manager (that stores keys not just passwords).

This app would grant indirect fine-grained access to keys to other apps subject to users' choice. Indirect because it will perform cryptographic operations on the client app's behalf instead of directly revealing the key.


That's assuming you trust Damus. His concern was that there were too many apps and not knowing which to trust.


Some people pay $1m to have their commercial published on TV. It all depends what you think you're getting out of the publication.


ngihihihi


w00t. Social networking might end up producing the peer-to-peer economy it should have already.


Interesting to see what sort of economy will emerge out of that. Of course relationships *between* relays exist too and spam concerns arise. The nostr hivemind might yet end up solving the age-old problem of putting a price tag on 'information'.


This descended more quickly than I thought.

nostr:note1m0u6w2et9zywn6zgmkck9txkmzf6krtcl8t2hn0dnaajascq52sqpdy3rw


👍 SimpleX and put your address into your nostr profile too.


Uh I replied to the wrong note.


This is decending more quickly than I thought.

nostr:note1m0u6w2et9zywn6zgmkck9txkmzf6krtcl8t2hn0dnaajascq52sqpdy3rw


I hope it's all benign. Hafta think of Atlas Shrugged.


Those threats keep coming. "The developer must" ... "backlash".

i'm concerned. What's the "backlash". In the absence of any more specific elaboration one would have to assume the worst. Like gangs of goons being deployed to the developer's premises.

It doesn't say explicitly who/what this is about but I assume nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s and Damus and I just hope that nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s has adequate security at his premises.

Do we need to report nostr:npub1edd9lp84z8jusqujzrecsunja2xcqmjl0adjdj6y8uakaj932ejqar8nu4 to the authorities at this point.


"It is unwise ..." nostr:npub1edd9lp84z8jusqujzrecsunja2xcqmjl0adjdj6y8uakaj932ejqar8nu4 feeling entitled to someone's else's work to the point he has to resort to veiled threats.


Remind me which authority do you "report" accounts to.


Look! A white person occupying New Zealand.


Like the nostr.landb paid relay that accepts Bitcoin from their customers and uses it to pay Hetzner for the hosting ... err aah wait dang Hetzner doesn't take crypto. The revolution has been postponed it seems.

Found this cute "reseller" btw: https://bithost.io/ Advertises "crypto" but prices quoted in dollars exactly my sense of humor.


Btw rgd. "server stuff". Haskell is expanding into the desktop, mobile and web spaces. SimpleX's desktop and mobile apps are written in (mostly) Haskell and you know that.

Haskell web frameworks like Miso are looking good -- have used Miso for a small-ish web app, I don't see why it wouldn't scale to something bigger.


How's your functional reactive programming.


Looks like Scala loses to Go in every aspect except the important one.


Crypto people's own self-assessment reveals to them that their skills are inadequate in today's competitive environment and they are unlikely to play a role in any future.

Speculation, the never-ending search for the next even greater fool and most importantly their religious community of like-minded or rather like-deluded are their only resort. The only drug that placates their tortured souls for the next 24h until the inevitable realization of despair sets in -- again.


The Judaean People's Front doesn't do business with the People's Front of Judaea.


Great praise of the dollar. Couldn't havw said it better. Thank you very much.


I like how everything here is quoted in, and compared to, dollars. Dollars are the bar.


Haskell ❤❤❤


Took me a while to understand that the numbers quoted are dollars not sats.

Looks like even "Opensats" has adopted my currency of choice. Way to go mates.


For a good time call 555-425-3948!


*In X.509 ...


I'm X.509 "delegations" are just called "certificates". Why invent new terminology?

Also in X.509 certificate chains of arbitrary length are allowed so that each user may choose the level of indirection that suits their security needs.


Awesome.


Asian type lantern we know from Chinese restaurants

https://emojipedia.org/red-paper-lantern

Not hard to Google is it?


Don't co-opt my pagan holiday here.


This.


*implant


It's time humans got their npub tattooed. Or RFID implement.


It's the asterisk


"Encryption, because it's audited" is like "Brawndo, it's got electrolytes"


Also re. decentralized search: Negatives are hard to prove so I'd be careful with "it's not possible". This here looks promising:

https://www.cs.cornell.edu/~bwong/Cubit/

nostr:note154eyvuyvkrhf203ptx8dsnc63dexag2dwkpuhmet5kxaxkwlznasas8a6d


Imploding? This worries me, I'm about to invest some serious brains & time into IPFS. Where can I read more about this.

nostr:note1fj8u38qfx9c7lhcnpaecurr7rtaey3mc9tk3386dvh0x2u6t8zlq3uyxtr


This is starting a lot sooner than I thought:

nostr:note1m0u6w2et9zywn6zgmkck9txkmzf6krtcl8t2hn0dnaajascq52sqpdy3rw


Had a quick look at pkarr ... it overlaps with IPNS?

Also you called IPFS a "fake DHT" as opposed to Bittorrent Mainline. They're both Kademlia?


Oooh. Distributed systems. ❤❤❤

Will read the paper.


"merkle-tree based set reconciliation" sounds promising ❤❤


Presumably that'd be nostr:npub1yxprsscnjw2e6myxz73mmzvnqw5kvzd5ffjya9ecjypc5l0gvgksh8qud4 ? Will follow.


Link: https://youtu.be/DRcVRLtde6c


Step 1: Managing expectations


Source?


Jeebus. Where'd you get this from.


Yes there is a reason and that is that the engineering prowess of the nostr dev community is, as far as I can see so far, not great.

There is an overall optimistic naiveté -- if not to say outright delusion -- as to how inherently difficult internet-scale distributed systems are.

The nostr dev community will hit a wall where suddenly things won't scale and then wonder how they got into this.

Your skill coding widgets into a app does not prepare you to architect distributed systems, that's on a totally different level.

Or this this guy here who took my totally absurd, facetious post about "trivial quantum computers" serious as if it had any merit. Oh dear.

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SimpleX is safe? Are you sure? I've heard that it is "trivially decryptable by quantum computers" according to leading nostr experts.

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Excuse me that's the case in any free country.


Don't implement yourself, use the actual SimpleX client and server. "Each relay becomes a SimpleX server" means the relay and server are on the same host, different ports. The server may need some modification to allow for the discovery process I'm proposing.

SimpleX seems to be well maintained according to the commit log, just the .js isn't.

"We're sacrificing almost all the values we stand for because it's all we could do in 100 lines" isn't a great message.


This is a clusterfuck.

Just use SimpleX. SimpleX can be integrated with nostr for some good UX without much effort:

- Users create a public SimpleX address, this contains an X25519 DH key.

- The DH key (just the DH key, no server information) gets published on the user's nostr profile, there will be a field for that. The profile is digitally signed by the user's nostr public key so no mistaken identities here.

- All nostr relays act as SimpleX servers.

- When sending a message to the user, the nostr client will probe all known relays to see whether there is a SimpleX queue that accepts the DH key (discovery process).

- nostr client hands DH key and server information to the SimpleX app.


She said "dollars". 😜👍


Oooh ... dollars. ❤❤❤❤


I like how the "Bitcoin Development Fund" is denominated in dollars. Exactly my sense of humor.


Isn't that "right sizing".


Maybe we can pair up the LLM believers with the bitcoin believers and send them all off to New Hampshire so that the rest of us can get on with their lives.


It's weird to see some folks acting like bitcoin is the path to actual financial independence too.


Thanks well said.


Buying bitcoin is easy


*dollars are


Lol duh it's the only currency that matters.


@Rich Nost joined nostr for the "free speech", but when it arrived, he wasn't prepared.


Ah. It's the Judaean People's Front vs. the People's Front of Judaea.


I think you're just stupid but it's still dangerous.


You keep inventing a "link to their DNS" it's not as per my other response. No one controls the user's encryption key other than the user on their app, self-hosted server or not.

What's your agenda here are you just stupid or nefarious.


Ngihihi iPhone users figuring out they paid $1000 for ... what exactly


I've replied elsewhere that it's only about IP addresses. Anything else would need application layer epidemic routing (send everything everywhere). Can you really pull that off. I don't see nostr scaling well the way it is, and this will overload relays even sooner than nostr's growth will eventually do anyways.

I see lots of naiveté here building a decentralized system. It's a Hard Problem (tm) and one of the last great unsolved problems of computer science if you ask me.

We've discussed this before also: nostr:nevent1qqspdczflthsq9zmz9awe2fy8a9tgr5lqknx6rmasexrd40pp74ywuqpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzvupzq3svyhng9ld8sv44950j957j9vchdktj7cxumsep9mvvjthc2pjuqvzqqqqqqy6fv73p


This doesn't make any DNS lookups or HTTP requests to the simplex.chat website if you have the app installed. It's an indicator for the mobile OS to open the link straight in the app, and the app will only look at the part after the hash.

If you don't have the app installed, this will indeed open in the browser and do a DNS lookup and HTTP request to the simplex.chat website. The website will just tell the user where to download the app. The URL part after the hash with connection details will not be sent to the website.

For these reasons, SimpleX will keep working *perfectly fine* when the website is down and there is no DNS entry for simplex.chat even. New users will then have to figure out by themselves where to download the app. This is important if the simplex.chat website gets nefariously taken down one day.

You can even use the alternative URL format that starts with simplex:// when sharing contact links if you're too concerned.

I don't think you understand how these things and are spreading FUD.


The correlation between user and IP is kind of hard though. IPs are very dynamic for residential and mobile internet. In the end if bugs you you can use VPN, Onion, or whatever but that's on the network level and not the apps/server's job.


What's the "developers DNS". You can host your own server. Are you spreading FUD.


What's wrong with SimpleX. Asking for a friend.


I've also heard this theory that bitcoin is money. Goes well with the above.


Timeshares? I'd like to see a timeshare Rolex.


Damn I would like to see a coiner run a business on Bitcoin. The sudden influx of reality! It would be entertaining to watch.


Just start a non-crypto conversation. You're not entitled to have content be passively served to you. Make something.


Lol he thinks 'block' prevents users other than him from seeing the blocked posts. Twitter mindset. Some people will have a hard time getting their head wrapped around a distributed system.


"an innate tendency of human psychology"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism


That's right because it's better to starve because you can't afford food than to starve because there isn't food in the first place.


A decentralized GitHub over nostr would of course be the final nail in the coffin for copyrighted software, incl. open source licenses.


There's no way forward with centralized systems.


Aaah iPhones. The greatest freedom tech of all.


no bitshnitzels. thanks.


Yes? Huh?


Apparently "western" views are different


It creates a two-tier society where digital natives that are in control of their own communication equipment are less prone to surveillance than those than the non-natives that need to rely on the natives to provide it for them. I'm in the first tier so works for me.


The problem isn't solved until as long as I have to cross post.


Point in case I just had to re-post your message to a SimpleX group so that I could properly ridicule you over there.


Take your balkanization and stick it somewhere


That sounds like a lot of work. Hey can you do that and I'll hop onto the bandwagon once this train of yours gets rolling.


Why post on Twitter. Isn't he on nostr.


you can boot RPis from USB flash drives which are a bit more durable than MicroSD. An RPi 5 can also boot from NVMe, the best. An RPi 4 CM can even boot from NVMe or internal flash (eMMC).


Hookers?


Is he like that in person? What if I'm having after-conference drinks in a Shinjuku bar after the next #nostrasia , will he show up and rub his religion into my face.


Have you tried Haskell nostr:npub1exv22uulqnmlluszc4yk92jhs2e5ajcs6mu3t00a6avzjcalj9csm7d828


Will the thief have a copy of the private nostr key then.

It's things like this why protocols based on cryptographic identity need to support ephemeral keys and certificates. The nostr key on the phone used to sign notes will be rotated every week or so. Each new key will be signed by a master key kept in cold storage with a declared validity of a week or so.


yes there are, blockchains do exactly that, e.g. there are various blockchain DNS schemes that have been proposed like NameCoin IIRC. it's just all horribly inefficient.


Concur. But calling discovery the "only" problem that centralization solved makes it sound like a minor problem. It's the principle obstacle. Start with discovery first when you take on the decentralization challenge.


Nostr right now is a small close-knit community like early 90's Usenet. We need to be prepared for an eternal September.


it also clutters the server (relay). disk space is a scarce resource as much as attention is.


https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/fd914c600fd590e6188534cd7555116da7855503/59.md

If the relay can't identify the sender how can the relay block senders to protect itself from spam.


What about the "post quantum" part does anyone really need this.


https://brave.com/faq/ #how-brave-makes-money


Some thoughts https://www.poberezkin.com/posts/2023-10-31-why-privacy-impossible-without-venture-funding.html


join forces with @simplex ?


Pro tip: Google Play, F-Droid or Obtainium.


But then you didn't.


Pro-tip: Download an APK from anywhere and just click to install it.


That sounds like a lot of work. How about you fix the money and I'll hop onto the bandwagon once it gets going.


Raw food strains your metabolism as much more energy has to be spent to metabolise it than cooked food. The invention of fire and cooking is what allowed early humans to redirect surplus energy to their brains and thus become homo sapiens. You're undoing a key element of evolution there.


On this planet there is nothing more divisive than religion. Shame on you for bringing it up.


Give back to the community by writing good code or making insightful posts?


Pro-tip: Google Play, F-Droid or Obtainium


Or just get an Android?


It's a tax on stupid


Ah "decentralized" Nostr relying on centralized DNS