There’s also some way to customize global ?


Ohhh that’s good. Thank you so much now I’ve counting aggregators. 🤩


Damus (iOS) here, I don’t even know what those websites are.

Also I’m not hired by elon/jack team to learn about it.

Hopes for the best.


This is a great disadvantage when comparing to other websites that hosted cyberhornets before nostr.

Reddit - 2013 - 2016 was the best in my opinion before the karma started to be gamed.

Twitter was never good, was only a solution after theymos started banning all BSV/contrary movements.

So it’s a lot to think about like: how to improve dev experience to create useful aggregators and make it help we all see what better we can do together.

The way nostr is now make me feel we should go back to IRC #freenode.


This thing barely can show replies or like counting without clicking each post.


Elon and jack fucked up Twitter so much now we only can rely on this amateur software and more: it still owned by them =/


#bitcoin real L2 start understanding L1


What about one key for each signature? Like #bitcoin, no address reuse.

This can also fix the lack of privacy we see here and also fix IA crawlers


Still has costs to store content online


The breach was about metadata or I’m confused ?


Please don’t merge it.

Plain simple json has a big advantage for specifications.

Bitcoin is still near to not understandable because it’s all binary protocol.

You could simple **gzip** the request using standard http request and it’s all fine.


There he goes with his arrogance as usual.

“Please give me your ID, so I can talk to you”

Bruh you’re full of shit beta male who don’t even have the courage to put your face in your work. Go cry in your mom basement.


😂 this idiot tried to do the same with me. He keep trolling and saying shit to the people trying to contribute to his project. I completely lost the interest in this shit. I barely join nostr now only to see the other puppets jack is paying to act like full narcissist and stop the real alpha to float to the top.

To be real jack and elon had a great vision to divide the community and destroy the innovation while at same time they rebrand old ideas like this eCash dinosaur vision while we forgot about the block size wars and how it take all energy away from bitcoin.


😂 so it’s worth creating an unjust jurisdiction because of herbs 🪴 good logic but kinda of Twitter sense.


That’s the way. Hope you can fix that decentralization thing


Monetize-it first


#nostr weakness


reply m.primal.net is 128.140.26.213
reply i.nostr.build is <CNAME>
reply cname.nostrmedia.stream is 104.26.8.58
reply cname.nostrmedia.stream is 104.26.9.58
reply cname.nostrmedia.stream is 172.67.74.181
reply ln.tips is 91.237.88.219
reply nostr.build is 34.236.180.211
reply nostr.build is 34.193.3.171
reply nostr.build is 18.214.197.187
reply nostr.build is 3.221.216.150
reply nostr.build is 52.21.202.241
reply nostr.build is 3.214.97.9
reply www.reuters.com is <CNAME>
reply www.reutersmedia.net is 13.32.151.89
reply www.reutersmedia.net is 13.32.151.7
reply www.reutersmedia.net is 13.32.151.39
reply www.reutersmedia.net is 13.32.151.5
reply perthirtysix.com is 76.76.21.21
reply new.iris.to is 172.67.170.136
reply new.iris.to is 104.21.79.112
reply media.primal.net is 128.140.26.213
reply r10.o.lencr.org is <CNAME>
reply o.lencr.edgesuite.net is <CNAME>
reply a1887.dscq.akamai.net is 23.205.105.191
reply a1887.dscq.akamai.net is 23.205.105.170
reply a1887.dscq.akamai.net is 23.205.105.179
reply a1887.dscq.akamai.net is 23.205.105.180
reply cdn.nostr.build is <CNAME>
reply cname.nostrmedia.stream is 172.67.74.181
reply cname.nostrmedia.stream is 104.26.8.58
reply cname.nostrmedia.stream is 104.26.9.58
reply image.nostr.build is <CNAME>
reply cname.nostrmedia.stream is 172.67.74.181
reply cname.nostrmedia.stream is 104.26.8.58
reply cname.nostrmedia.stream is 104.26.9.58


Social endpoint sr. We still miss the network part.


magnet:// 🧲 to browse and webrtc to #p2p key-value store. #nostr #bitcoin #p2p


That’s how you keep the boomers out


That’s the way. Following should not be easy. We should “do the work” to get our friends notes. Frequently asking them their signed pubkeys list thru p2p.


Brilliant sir, count with me 🙋♂ let we know when you start trying to dry holes on NATs using udp door introspection.


It’s 2024 and we still didn’t managed how to decentralize #freenode IIRC style rooms


Web trees 🌳


I still didn’t know why they use numbers if JSON really don’t care if they used NAMED_STRINGS in place for kinds.


This Whale 🐳 is making me sick 🤢 #bitcoin


Next experiment: roulette game


Kindlessness


That’s for sure if we can’t fix the “decentralized web” thing.

Web should be p2p for network society like we are very p2p for our real friends network.

We don’t put our personal information on the news broadcast if it’s not for marketing purposes.


That’s a real good point


Bring IIRC #freenode back #nostr


Dollar is becoming the only stablecoin in the world.

Tether is bigger than many country reserves.

Idk but I think it’s quite complex.

On the other side you have Ethereum draining most of the bitcoin energy pump.

WHO knows


Lightning and bitfinex/liquid team seems to be delivering better than jack/Ben nostr team.

Still hard to organize the real freedom devs.

Back to IRC?


**busted**


Díondi eu vim? Proncôvô? Oncôtô?


Why the relays don’t talk between themselves and share the notes? Google will easily do an api crawler and centralize this as easily as they did to ‘news’ paper.

Their market team:
Global #Nostr Relay


I have some demos trying to build a p2p connection with webrtc using nostr as the signal channel to transverse NAT. It’s working on one-side NAT, but I’m still working towards two-side NAT. But to nostr that uses websockets (p2b) it’s already a good alternative. I’m trying to bootstrap using nostr (websocket) and upgrade to webrtc p2p shared notes more like for small communities. I mean, in my community I don’t really need to know Whois zuck,musk or gates. I only need my friends notes and money.


Webtorrent (torrent over webrtc)


Nostr: waiting to be the next retard


And then we are back to centralized servers lol


Trust less


Facebook did much better


Nostr devs don’t even understand how the great firewall works.

Most guys here are doing the VC work under the guise of “decentralizatorrrr” but the true is it’s HTTP protocol. Plain and simple.


What’s your point?

You think this donation was crucial to bitcoin?

It still lack context.
Are you a dev yourself?

If yes, if I give you money and drive the devs towards my interest it is still called “decentralization”?


Same idea of #nostr just different coins.

Ethereum has its benevolent dictator Vitalik.

Nostr has its benevolent dictator jack.

Still Vitalik is not battle tested while jack had been tested at Twitter.


Real decentralization like #bitcoin don’t need tips or any stuff besides it’s own economic incentives to get miners and node operators working. #Ethereum guys seems to have got this from the start but #nostr still not.

Implements real decentralization on #nostr and people will get involved in order to create value.


Hello #nostr 👋


Test


Yeah when you cash out it’s called melting when you cash in it’s called mint. It makes everything much more confuse than it really is.

Cash in => mint => from lightning
Cash out => melt => to lightning

That is how I get it at least


Most people here on nostr are UI developers. With great UX abilities


Most of the Internet is not trying to replace big tech and the fed at the same time.


But how to untoggle ? if it’s already muted so it won’t show up anyway


I think Brazilian law has forbidden acronym due to lack of context the thing goes. I mean, it’s a json it can be called kind: “note” or kind: “did” and also NIP XxX could be called by their names other than numbers. Sometimes developers forget we aren’t coding in assembly anymore so we don’t have to think using 0’s and 1’s


Because billions 💸….


Back to “internet open relay problem” soon #nostr is going to face the same open relay problem. You cannot relay for free forever without a good grant orrrrr a micropayment. Cashu gift card is a good way to save [REQ, …nostrStuff, cashuGiftCard]


#bitcoin can cause brain damage sometimes


@billgates is slowly raising the gate at GitHub


/etc/hosts fix


Gitstr on damus nostr:note1yeg7gzw4znmt4954nx9g9665ydyc2vmm2zyjs5asuhr70a97v2rsexdge4


When NIPs on #nostr?


Gm


Yes it did.

In some places, in the country I live, you can’t even reach to the beach sand because it’s owned by someone powerful enough to expel you at gun powder without being subject to any law.

God bless law and order.


Yeah but they don’t, same as with email. Soon Google take control of everything and we’re left with bad code practices.

Also it’s not a network if you can’t search/discover thru it.


Relay owns the content not the content creators


#nostr relays should talk between themselves as in a NETWORK so we can connect only to our trusted relay and pay them to protect our privacy


Congratulations 🎉


Because clients still didn’t condensate same ids or reference threads.


Can we use the npub to pay and avoid all this lightning UX nightmare.

I’ve already setup 3 AWS instances only to setup my #nostr profile.


Good list.

Can you ELI5 how threema removed the relay server?


Much decentralization


JS is fine. The Typescript guys who are messing around.

I’ve done many nostr webpages using js only and very tiny. Without webpack or uglifyjs.
Only <script …> direct from source cdn.


Didn’t see it being censorship resistant by being able to run a private server.

Or it isn’t a network. Just more centralized easily targeted by agencies tcp/ip.


Im not angry bruh I’m just laughing.

Thanks for coming.
✌


Bruh you doesn’t even put your face in your profile and want send orders away.

Work For FREE
LOL
LOL

LMFAO


By sending 14 BTC away and spreading news about the NEW GOOD THING.

Even nostr:npub1qny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysew95gx drank your pill.

Ethereum was also a good benevolent dictatorship.
Now it’s heavily draining #bitcoin SoV.

😘


How does one gain consensus? #bitcoin


How did you plan software improvements without talking ?


Cuban has a good slogan: “like it or leave it” that’s how their democracy works


Yeah now we can see clearer who we are talking to. Appreciate!!


Flexible Fees and proof of work are the only true battle tested technologies against censorship.

This websocket solutions (#nostr) looks like more #woke solutions.

Benevolent dictatorship like Ethereum can work or not but has nothing to do with decentralization.


Using your same logic: blocking Ordinals, Inscriptions or any usage of #bitcoin to store anything besides #bitcoin value transactions is a SPAM and should be banned/censored/avoided.

Well, that’s the zuckeberg logic, or any VC logic of the benevolent dictator. Jack was an example of benevolent dictator and what happened when the CIA want take back his control? He moved out!

#nostr is heavily centralized into 3-5 very tiny servers. Very easy targets (individual server owner) and easily to outcompete by any competent tech company (Google has already said his intentions to run a nostr server).

Web2 protocols seems to not work for dex but I appreciate all the work done for the screens on android and iPhone done by nostr but all solutions proposed here seems to be trying to lower the #bitcoin expectations by a lot.


No one is going to have an open relay at 0 cost.

That’s why they block “spam”.
Any server maintainer want to keep only his opinion-like-minded “good spam”.

Neither MySQL, Mail or websocket (nostr) will relay anything without a pre-filter.


Serious argument? It doesn’t sound technically accurate.

Let me explain: if “all the world” MySQL servers had internet open doors you sure could query all databases in the same way it’s done with websocket (nostr).

#nostr team seems unable to refute simple concepts. That’s keeping nostr very fragile and not resistant to any censorship.

We’re being gamed.


Yeah I was wanting exactly that. But had to create one at my own console.

Just was describing a need for a “random” button at login form.


You can try to create a random b0t who post every minute and you gotta see how it’s censored by yourself.

Let me know if you need an ELI5.


Using the same logic MySQL is also decentralized because anyone can run it’s own server. LOL

FACT IS: like happened to email ux, most people now use only the biggest relay as the trusted relay, and he is an easy target to any agencies or even Google/aws/m$s can outcompete them.

The truth is that jack wanted to capitalize over the plebs movements following the cyberhornet incapacity to deploy anything really good at speed needed by the customers.

That’s why we “gave up” on #matrix in “favor” of damus (ops nostr)

Question is: why he didn’t upgraded Twitter back then?

Answer: because they wanted to countertrade us using the biggest sentiment platform at time.

It’s not about the freedom of speak. It’s about keeping those with abilities under control (14 btc? Lol)

Ps.: I never saw a brand new OSS without any relevance being displayed at so many “relevant”(btc) events, not even 1 #matrix stand at any event.

Create the narrative —-> control the solutions

😘


We come


0% criticism. That’s how we build


So sad I can’t login without a nsec. Should have a random nsec generation been more non-KYC as possible.


Virtual world can hold both without physical conflict. That’s the best of crypto. We can have communism side to side with heritage-ism and both gonna fight on the market against king #bitcoin.


We are all fiatjaf.


Amazing idea and way to promote #nostr in Brazil.


Untraceable events


That’s the way


#Lightning is becoming worthless. Are you guys visualizing on-chain settlement ?


Blockchain and mempool next


Can we see it all as one? UX


Many new design can be tried by this approach


One entire day?


AI is only distraction from the real good thing #bitcoin

Plebs gonna get confused to where spend their finite time for learning and invest to old boomers and bank owners.

Good thing bitcoin still shift the paradigm of money. Opening possibilities beyond the last dogma we had about semi-gods.


I tried to put some scihub activity b0t here but #nostr is more moderated than Twitter and soon I got blocked from publishing content over the centralized bad monetized server relay.

So basically nostr is blocking the public good by design.


I like the way Google gmail do to filter spam. Sad part is I can’t have a mail server because Google think it’s spam.


That’s good. I’m tired of seem this old man dominance over things he don’t care about. Last time we see he only cares now about <14 young girls pussy so why we keep opening issues on his website?


GitHub is better. How long until mr. Bill Gates raise his walled garden and put dissident devs outside?? Like he’s doing on LinkedIn now.

We are basically pedo bill employers at this point.


Who defines who is important ? Jack or you? Lol


Ser, I have family and friends. No one is perfect. 😘


Pele was also a very rich football player. Most of the time this doesn’t work well for the triers and they end up in extreme poverty and very depressed.

#bitcoin and crypto in general are also full of very ego-driven people due to the nature of money.

Software most of the time is fruitless without Uncle Sam help (aka VCs, jack and etc).

#nostr for example ignored all the triers at time of launch just to run a very centralized target for Google. So the #matrix team was throw out of the window just because jack had other friends.


Yesss


Talk is cheap, post is free


Echo chamber network is the name


**Web of trust** is the missing link on #bitcoin since it’s creation. Pseudonym pubkey made the game real hard.

Many applications require web of trust to build above as a framework. Like insurance, escrow, stackoverflow etc…

Many proposals can address this. Ps.: by connecting some random dots like requests/day with last_seen can be simple and effective.

but the b0t war still has to reach #nostr and test if it’s incentives can stay aligned.

The guy challenging the follow counter is an artist. Congratulations 🎊


How can you verify if it’s not the same person paying itself using another pubkey?


Well, the idea initially was more about decentralization of communication but now it’s more like a free square.


/dev/mapper/local-blockchain   1.2T    616.9G    555.3G  53% /blockchain


Haha, it was done to enable  signature aggregation aka Schnorr  signatures to combine multiple signatures into one single proof.

https://medium.com/badger-blockchain/schnorr-signatures-following-in-the-steps-of-segwit-a4c515c02e22

Had seen long threads talking about the implications in removing the sign bit but had to record some of them.


“libertas quæ sera tamen” nostr:note1wu8rkczduduvvatsec79y83065wp5kd2shpza7dw4da47h30tcdsscc5jy


#nostr is where you give your content for free, sign and can be held responsible for it at same time you have 0 control where your notes are going to. <> #bitcoin


iOS is the NSA last resort


I hope for the best but till now that is it. nostr:note1f9d8gzrkucqx6qhe9k5axdgjlhcu5annlw4kkyny28erqmznl3ms7h8esh


#nostr is just a bunch of frond end devs doing GUI using web2 tech with VC money.

Nothing todo with #bitcoin and the self sovereign individual.


👆👆 look this spam it’s impossible to stop it the way #nostr is designed around relays.

It’s going to be a nightmare like Twitter has become.

Being p2p-first can give the OP control over who replies to them.

Websockets first design seems to be a mistake and I think we should talk about making notes protocol agnostic.

This will increase a lot the work to be done by clients as they will have to ask many peers for notes and build a timeline after that but it’s the price to sovereign being.


How did you open that website without internet ?


By relay being in control I mean.

I cannot know who search my profile.

I cannot say who view my bio.

I cannot say who read my posts.

I cannot control who replies to my notes.

Only relays can do it and it’s outside user control.

That’s now something on “bitcoin standard” because there’s no ***sovereign of individual***. A basic rule for #bitcoin.

For now it’s all cool and I can say anything but that’s only because it’s still beta. Web2 again.


I see. ***So the relay keep in control***. Hope soon Google run it’s relay so we can all move to the biggest server again.

Also the spammers started to attack #nostr threads and there’s nothing a relay can do to stop it.

Maybe Google can help to filter it with their AI and their agenda is back again. /s

It’s like an open Twitter now.


Most of the notes don’t have 1Kb. That said maybe isn’t need to think about complex torrent implementation for notes.

Torrents for #nostr is more about decentralization topology and reform of relays.

Relay becoming DHT, peer discovery and public stuff.

The content being ripped of the relays and going to p2p publishers.

Publishers sometimes are paid-relays with private contents. Sometimes it’s the user itself #p2p controlling who view his posts, storing likes and moderating replies.

User being in total control of the content is the game changer.

I call it “a better nostr” or reNostr.


TCP/UDP over Pubkey


Just read it. I was thinking more of a kind1 change for contents from string to endpoint, being endpoint any transport we can get (webtorrent<becauseofbrowser>, websocket, webRTC, i2p, tor, …)

Note = {
Hash,
Tags,
Endpoint
}

Even signature is better provided after one more request.
{ note_id, signature }

I don’t want random people having my signed notes against me.

Relays the way they are today are risky to run even to the maintainers due to the lack of compliance with boomerish laws.


Torrent incentives need to be aligned to #nostr. Why would someone seed anyone else broadcast 3rd part data?

Good thing it reverse power to the publisher. As the requester has to peer-request the note to the creator itself or someone else who seed the hash.

Being requested about a note can generate a view-counting for notes.


It’s 2024 and some guys still talking about Ethereum


We should make LinkedStr and pretend everyone is making tons of money there.


Sad part is I can’t use my GitHub to contribute because I’m locked out.


Torrent really need a fix on its incentives to seeds. All torrents I see today are 99% leaches against 1% seeds. But at least it removes the needs of the seeds being hosted at single-point failure.

Wonderful to see you guys fixing this protocol. It’s sad only UDP can do p2p and it’s being kept outside of browsers.


Oh sorry the extension devs would probably have to do that but I have been embedding private kinds inside kind1 and sometimes I’ve to sign or hash them.

It’s not as good as having the proper kind for your usage but it works without requiring permission.

Downside is it have to be stringify’ed.


Well for now I want release only the smart people.

The idiots can stay in their cage it’s a win-win.

About the udp-p2p-fix to fix the internet will probably require a network adapter (WireGuard-plugin) to work properly.

The way it had been done in #nostr  now is only waiting until the Feds step in and start KYC the servers and subsequent the users.


You can have another signature embedded inside {…, content: {token,signature}, signature}


DID decentralized identity.


Hahaha I thought the same. Let’s include LinkedIn in your list please and Google as I hope we end up only hashing stuff and sharing online p2p.


It’s allowed to raise an issue outside of GitHub ? 🫣


I was about to post the same about the same website. Web2 sucks. Now all the freedom makers from web2 (Larry,suck) left us inside the cage with old bank boomers. That’s the danger in building using web2 protocol. It’s always centralized. Soon Google will start the nostr server, the gmail of nostr. While all, no js udp access from the browser.


Likes should be an event signed pointing to the original event and given **p2p** to the interested parts to be proven after if requested by 3rd-part to assure his like-count.


Nostr is bigger than a websocket over http designed by big corporations. #notes#p2p


1/5 USDTether pegged by lol performs worse than dogecoin


Lules coin 🪙


IRC is still a thing? Last soft fork was discussed on Reddit, and due to @theymos insurgence we had to move to Twitter. Nothing made Twitter special, it was only a half solution for a lack of Reddit.


Ok let’s close our eyes and believe. The magic is gonna happen anyway.


I’m impressed how they always know if I’m running from a VPN/Proxy even if it’s totally private. Google/Instagram are too advanced/agressive now. Each time it becomes harder to compete.


Yeah I understand that’s why I don’t install them on my mobile. #nostr still has many flaws that can be abused by many abusers, like spammers. Watchers can see all you query or see. I can query your PM metadata. Just to list some of the weakness.


Let’s celebrate the new Gmail. Soon we can block the mail port on routers and say only big corps can run relay because of relay abuse. #nostr is designed to fail


Not really, you should ran a server so you can see how many stuff you’re giving them. Soon Bill Gates, Elon and Jack gonna run the biggest nostr server and bum you lost it again.


Violated lol


Babies are dying again ? Ok…


LocalBitcoins made bitcoin first useful tool. Useful to the entire oppressed south. Decentralized p2p system is the grounding feature we are losing. Next generation bitcoin will only know about paper-bitcoin until we break this pattern of jailing wallet developers.


You better ask them, before talking about their intentions. Satoshi made his work for free. We don’t need fund Satoshi to keep the freedom. We need enterprise money to stay inside a cage life.


dear #nostr users, your metadata is leaking HEAVILY


“never be too good”

-FBI


Yeah it’s very possible. But the good outlooks are: as the free software society can recognize the new possibilities for money being local and not gov centralized is as good as #bitcoin being and end to all human sins. Bitcoin is good but FOSS have done tremendous progress to the world.


What they want in exchange?


Spermatozoid run is still running. I only hope we can find a winner soon.


“The children are dying” - Ver, Roger.


We don’t like to talk


Yeah, we need cashu done in Java for banks. Enterprise lol


“There’s no need to fulfill the promises” 🎶


What about the freedom is, in 2024 after Jesus Christ ?


Ln.tips were deprecated this week. Technology is moving away from the draconian state rn


O mapa é plano


What’s stopping #nostr markets? Decentralization ?


Money transmitter is more close related to a liquid provider in crypto. If you’re only doing software without profiting from transfer fees you’re fine!


Only if you’re new and uses Gmail


Calle is doing great because he’s using bitcoin as it’s without losing energy trying to change it. You want do something new? Start with a new layer after ossification it sure becomes a bip


Every single developer will “discover” bitcoin and before understanding it’s fundamentals will start purposing solutions. Everybody want profit from bitcoin momentum but the previous momentum will fight back.


Servers with build-in UPS


Layers matter


Team open source 👏👏🤝


Keep
Building


When the prices rise or reach an stress area the community becomes more prone to toxicity. Even those only wanting to help get harassed. All is fine anyway. 🚀 #bitcoin


Yeah I think the same. In math it’s beautiful to have those Greek letters written in latex with a beautiful font written down every meaning right after the equation.

But for speed up js code someone would have to shorten all those complex terms.

Right now cashu is new so everybody want check the equations and like said short variable name out of standard make those reading have a low quality time.

Any8 I’m just a reader who is just writing about the stones I found thru the path. CashU path.

Have a nice one you all. 🥂


How can I be more helpful, boss? You keep pushing me down without providing a clear path.


Yes math is hard but the signature algo mostly. The thing here is that I was a C, assembly dev in 2001 and used this a,b,c variable names when software dev where more of a mathematical thing. After 2008 I took some classes at transliteration languages aka coffeescript and there I learned a lot about the importance of producing “literable” source code to avoid having to explain or produce docs apart of the code itself. Math is hard but if you have good variable names and a good procedure it can be much simpler. Good morning 😃


I hate so much this B, B_, C, C_, secret thing, it’s almost impossible to write something understandable with this variable names. 2024 is JSON year. Let’s use long name standard: public_key, private_key, pre_image and signature. I’m thinking in adding an adapter so we could use both names and keep both standards.


It’s moving fast now… https://image.nostr.build/166b00a1c25a0c01a90c2e2615f7f2461256dd38569edff77d2899b976797430.png


Ok boss. I’m in… https://image.nostr.build/beb7db1d65bde967631df44cb5251ddfb776cde87388699c60bb2db9f3b47f4d.png


Yeah fedimint and others are working towards this. For now it’s heavily centralized and subject to AML compliance but soon after the Feds start targeting cashu devs the upgrade begins…


I’m studying to integrate bridges for the global south using multi minter networks.


Please think in a multi token screen using the “unit” parameter. Something like metamask but for bitcoin: https://image.nostr.build/366557135b4ca9c5f9e1b4bd1119be9c06f304b5998dd26320e64aa8172dfc93.jpg


nostr:npub1pp355axf69z8ndrz8zdnqa54s90e5xy737mwqk9e9cvt606nwszsdx8nu7 can you help to design a multi currency wallet? I have thought about changes to eNuts wallet but it’s so beautiful now and that make harder for changes.


👏👏👏 congratulations for this very concept. It’s very important for the global south, now let’s hope @Agron ⚡💜 do some beautiful work here and boom 💥 freedom


Each product can have a pubkey and you receive it as a nuts11 token can be filtered by each product.


Well anon, let’s start. This surveillance schemes will keep evolving to silence their enemies and keep control over society. Most of the control today came from the payment systems and it’s where they got most of the money for doing this absurd laws.

Now let’s remember how previously to that Hollywood was attacked by the p2p-era. It was a heavy fight of cat-mouse until they surrendered for the evolution and changed the attack vector.

US Army is facing an equal treat now. It’s invisible enemy is “chewing the king clothes”. From looking inside the USA one can think it’s an AETERNAL thing. Almost so big as a semi-god. But it’s god because people believe it. That’s the point.

People need something to believe. The younger generations see a huge gap in the incentives between new tech and old tech. That’s why I’m purposing a gamified version to replace the basic concept of a federation.

Most VCs till now do “federations” that only benefited their pockets. Almost all of them forgot totally about bitcoin and created a new ocean of distraction and we kept distracted from the freedom money.

Well, it’s a big topic and as an new-account-anon I cannot see how deep you can understand all this.
Let me know if you need more.

Thanks


#nostr itself as matrix network was aiming to do the same but was ignored in favor of …. choices.


We better build a gamified federated layer above bitcoin impossible to get captured by estate agents while giving profit to plebs run it while risking being caught running unwanted software.


**First** you need a compatible protocol for payments inside nostr. As websockets are very centralized, nostr will probably need a cashu-like protocol over its relays in order to build a p2p system.


#nostr needs a F you day 😆


#nostr the websocket protocol wasn’t a good choice after all. It’s not easy to maintain a decentralized p2p network with continuous connectivity, it’s also hard to design a stream of payments. HTTPS is much more resilient and proxy able protocol. Nostr server side need tons of upgrades to become more resilient to external interference like #bitcoin does. Real gold can humble state powerful ego’s.


The fault was on running a federated server. Don’t need this for a local server.


Then just mail 2 or 3 guys running nostr server and present then subpoenas they quickly shutdown the “free service”


#damus #issue sometimes I open the app and the first reply didn’t broadcast/disappeared after that it works but the first was lost forever. It’s reproduce-able. nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s


Nice try Feds


I’m still with Todd in this. =/ not because I wanted but because he’s right. nostr:note13llzf6pr842eqdp9w5w2gaxzrhuw49a7dnqt8e2kmsucrj2z7srq9hk9ks


bc it’s a server side issue?


It’s a server-side flaw, the servers don’t inter-communicate in a p2p manner in order to exchange the missing notes.


Test reply


Learning RSA?


Too hard for sign up. How about anon just go account?


## PSA: Announcing Wikifreedia 0.0.6

Codename: WOT-ALL-THE-THINGS

* Categories!
Q: "What is deemed to be a category?"
A: "Whatever *you*, and your web-of-trust, deem to be a category."

Decentralization includes no top-down decision of what **categories** should or shouldn't exist.

* Further decentralize by allowing users to indicate which relays they want to use for wiki entries.

https://wikifreedia.xyz

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/--y6ia7GKLqg/UnlSC-cVu4I/AAAAAAAABkQ/S4e1XT4zicQ/s1600/do-all-the-things.jpg


Very good 😊


Not before #bitcoin is done with the FEDs


Have thought about that but it can be fixed by server-side via protocol upgrade. [REQx,….] without break previous OpCodes. We could call the current form legacy from now on.


Both


Bruh, nostr is centralized yet


nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s nostr:npub1r0rs5q2gk0e3dk3nlc7gnu378ec6cnlenqp8a3cjhyzu6f8k5sgs4sq9ac can you guys please give a look at https://github.com/webtorrent/webtorrent ? It’s the most close to a real p2p network on the browser rn. It could help with file upload, dNostr or illustrate a better kind of server for notes.


Yeah, I keep dreaming about “Unspend Transactions over relays” - utxostr


#bitcoin is the special thing and the new standard way of thinking seems to be #decentralization.


Same way #nostr got attention when everybody was looking to #element to delivery less for a much noise/signal ratio. No one will code this without a VC leadership.


Nokia lol


Signed by our own private keys


We were obligated to get away from jack last platform into the new one. Forcefully updated to the same principals as before. Soon the feds will take over of every single corner of web2.


How can we plebs earn money from #fedimint node operating ?


Wen #nostrOverflow?


Did you have ever queried for something inside a kademlia network? Locally and globally. #nostr


I love your screens and all. only trying to push for a better backend design until we have something unbeatable.


Finally someone got it. And the X creator just moved to nostr leadership to incentivize his next centralized take over lol. You guys are the builders of all this congratulations


Bro banks will always do bank things. I mean (fractional reserve). Maybe at this point we can all agree Satoshi was a bit naïve. But was nice to dream about crypto anarchy. The energy it took from the matrix to reorganize itself is a pleasure to be seem anyway. I’m loving to see #nostr people bringing centralization towards #bitcoin in the exact same way as #ethereum guys did. “Let’s recreate all this without decentralization so we can go faster” LOL


Yeah we just recreated banks. The evil will always recreate themselves. No matter how many times Jesus comes there’s always tomorrow and a bunch of ego-driven people to keep the things in the exact same way as before.


Why? Making nostr compatible with old tech like email can speed up adoption.


nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 setup your own provider without KYC. NostrMail


Maybe a bounty isn’t a good strategy? Maybe it’s good for the news but after a while you start damaging your devs until no one remains.


I gave a look to your code and it seems to have only one big page (2228 lines) walletpage.vue. I’m interested in working with cashu but I’m looking more into fedimint to address a bigger problem (2-way-federated-bridge). I really hope we could gamify this federated thing making something fun as nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s started talking about MMO yesterday.


I could do it but you muted me lol just kidding


Inflation isn’t the monster like CT usually says. Humans are very ego-driven people. You need counter-balance it using some kind of time-dilution-power solution. If someone can get rich without doing anything,  then nobody will want do anything. Like the laser-eyes culture. They want get rich but want #nostr plebs to build to them while they hodl forever while speaking non-sense on CT. That’s the biggest problem we already have on #bitcoin and we’re lucky we have a worst system (fiat) and we are currently winning but as soon as we win the peak motivation will be far-away.


Fedimint seems to be a path forward. 🤯🤯 hope we can create a p2p marketplace for bitcoin / localfiat and use #nostr to relay it all over websockets.


Yes, but it should be gamified the same way as PoW. That’s what made #bitcoin interesting in the first place. Some kinds of individuals love to play the hard game. Hashing is the hardest game actually.


#nostr notes signature make it much simple for courts to proof you authored that


Only enough to liquidate the laser eyes.


Sure not a cypherpunk dream. Cashu (web 2 centralized server without sharing or federation) ==> lightning (testnet liquid server AML not compliance) ==> #bitcoin real decentralization but totally under control due to lack of interoperability with fiat systems. I think the FED is winning, how’s your binance KYC going? Same binance the fed keeps VC hostage in US DOJ.


The risk with free bank is that without the fees the bank owner can runaway with all your money eventually


Backend for nostr is extremely bad designed. I can say it as a professional backend designer. You guys just did a bunch of react views for websocket. Nothing new, ZERO innovation. Now we just sit here and wait for the Gov/VC take control as usual.


Maximum privacy !== Web 2.0


The ETF we NEEED


Paying/zaps for issues/request on Damus/nostr? Build inside #nostr?


LocalBitcoins did this work when bitcoin were useful for something before cryptotrading.


This one ☝ looks good 👍


Unspent utxo set?


I’m in here for the sats


Issue: public key don’t rotate on nostr


Software development is hard when you can’t accept scam support like zuk, page, musk, jack. All those guys had to accept partnership with banks/wallstreet shitcoin back them to raise their business. In the end the scammers have the strongest network support to keep you alive in the winter.


Please ser, consider torrent-streaming


No, they’re still leaking metadata. This nip44 is only addressing the technique to generate a chat key instead of using the same key forever.


Yes, same as Ethereum 2


Wen kademlia style relay?


It should be designed as:
1- the servers should inter-communicate using a p2p protocol
2- we should query a server using many available protocols (including current websocket, but also webrtc and UDP) offering to them a utxo so they can charge us for their “query mesh service”.
3- complex query language só the server can be able to query against their entire database and measure the amount of data he can “sell”
4- if the server hasn’t enough data as requested (xxxKb) they should automatically request his other server peers for more information to buy, excluding the information he already has.

5- as at each request we are exchanging UTXO we can include blockchain info as (blocks, transactions) inside nostr protocol so we don’t need to rely on #lightning and can replace it completely by a buildin tech.

That’s the design I’ve thinking about. Something about mixing nostr and lightning into something I like to call reNostr p2p server.

#bitcoin #nostr #lightning #kademlia #reNostr


Nostr is being designed in a way to exhaust developers who try to release society from evil government. Nostr is designed to be easily censored and targeted by any gov agencies as soon as anyone here speak something meaningful.


I’m anxious to see how the garbage collector is going to work.


Exactly that’s the last of your problems. Don’t forget to KYC with your wallet provider.


+1 👆


Cool, so you’re thinking about how to show reply, likes counting on timeline? That’s important to be at same level of Twitter but also quite difficult on nostr “base layer”


#Lightning nodes will soon be target as being a liquid provider require them to AML/KYC. That’s what you get when you give up your decentralization layer. #bitcoin had to fight all this to survive. Don’t be naive thinking the quick way is the best. #nostr


!zap 1000000 sats


Yes, we’re better with eCash and #lightning now


Coolest media dex


That’s cool. Can you change the underlying protocol from http to something custom ? Like UDPstr…


Moderation for the goods of freedom


Correction: what made Twitter nice was the cyber hornets moving out of Reddit to avoid theymos moderation on #bitcoin topic. Before that Twitter was only boomers running for elections.


NostrQL


“They” can subpoena your #nostr relay quite easily. Nostr is very centralized and not prepared to win like bitcoin did.


Do you remember that time when we started rewriting our application dropping http in order to use only websockets? #nostr #web2


NO, YOU CAN'T SEND THE UPD PACKAGE FROM THE BROWSER.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29532157/how-to-talk-to-udp-sockets-with-html5


#nostr is moar #web2 awaiting for aws


Keys should change at every single note broadcast.


Fallback to relay only if can’t find peer using direct connection


5-n satellites to guess the input port enigma using AI interpolation


UDP HolePunch don’t ask for permission UPNP


reNostr: nostr but p2p


Don’t worry that’s Blockstream vision for bitcoin


Inflation is just donation to politicians


https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/id/draft-takeda-symmetric-nat-traversal-00.txt

Just saving it here. Our talk give me some insights.


That’s Blockstream vision for #bitcoin


1st world tech leaders.

Those rich guys who fight for the plebs freedom lol


Same energy (2) https://image.nostr.build/7cf75c2f04cceae8854b12f5448f738dd3ce3324ca0750ccbef63942bd1930d7.jpg


Blockstream Vision


I was trying the hole-punching method and it worked with only one side-NAT, but two-side made it more complex and I need setup some infra abroad to keep testing. That’s were I stopped because it’s becoming too complex to a non-paid job. And look I don’t even have consensus here. Most people here are happy to be Ethereum 2.0


I’ve tried some PoC using WebRTC but I’m stuck at the two-sided-NAT problem. Not having enough time to keep it going due to heavy demand this days.


Ok ser


I’m building consensus here sir


This sound nice but after subpoenas start flying many operators will close its doors and the rest will be stored on Amazon aws. Distributed networks are hard tech. Web2 is doomed.


Same energy https://image.nostr.build/30f62ca1b6a6428a5bb1dc9963e58647fcec0e27731716f8e074d72e3f462a4c.jpg


Any relay operator who disagrees has the right to censure and erase data from its own server.


Jack lawyer confirmed ✅


You’re @jack lawyer? I didn’t say he’s dishonest. I said the place is full of puppets. I don’t even know the guy I just observing the network effects. You can do it also.


Thank you boss. Can you please explain how “they” removed you from the chair from Twitter ? And also who “they” are?


The jack part or the Ethereum part?


I really didn’t get what’s your point talking about SPV. SPV’s request info from another peers in a p2p style. Same as I’m proposing here. Beside this SPV is a “don’t verify, trust” server.


I do agree mastering the user-server first was a wise strategy but it’s getting out of control. The things here are resembling web2.0 products exactly the way they’re. I just don’t get how keep pushing web2 tech can lean towards decentralization.


You’re thinking in a client-server mode when you talk about permission. In a p2p infrastructure I don’t have to push my notes to any place. The audience will have to ask for the notes from the peer they’re requesting from. Being my own host I can publish as my wishes. Having my own private nostr server doesn’t fit the same requirements because it’s like an isolated island without any communication between the servers. It’s not a network (yet?)


I don’t think decentralization and sovereign are bullshit. Own your notes, own your audience. Don’t delegate to 3rd party as they will be points of failure for censorship. Being p2p you can control your audience one by one. Per request.


I’ve write my own relay but it still doesn’t make it a decentralized network. Just private isolated server.


Yes but what are the incentives of running a relay and being risky of hosting prohibited content ? Relays become centralized from the very beginning. Building over this foundation is useless as when it reach the Twitter size another GOV VC will take control. Same has happened to Reddit, Twitter, Facebook. This path has no future.


Zaps was cool but easily censored. Lightning has many flaws that could be addressed by a mesh webrtc2.0-like p2p network to provide tx information doing a merge between bitcoin and nostr networks and releasing us from all this all-in-one C++ bundle that bitcoin-core has become.


Bruh if we keep building #nostr the way it’s today(websockets+relay) soon we’ll recreate Twitter by having to centralize indexers and note caches. That’s a heavy centralized point and very easy target to VCs and Govs.


Yeah many will. Cyber hornets don’t sleep. Just give them time to learn.


Back on X 🚀 💥


Lol


I like screens. I’m a dev also


Well it’s not only EU today every government agency has learned it’s way to CEO house in order to sensor at some level. #bitcoin has survived from the highest level from the same problem. Relays can be easily used to censor as most operators will not hold responsability over 3rd party notes.


If #nostr keep being centralized there’s work for cache and indexing to be done by middle-man’s aka VCs. In a p2p model you have to request the notes directly from your peers. Without any relay. That’s how #bitcoin work. Bitcoin don’t ask permission to post a 1000 tx but if I try to put 1000 notes per second the nostr relay operator will flag my notes and probably block. That’s censure from the beginning.


#bitcoiners will have to fix it anyway. Twitter is doomed by @elonmuk and his friends. Cyber hornets were coming from Reddit to Twitter and right now nostr is the only usable solution. But has its flaws.


Yes but where are the incentives ?


#nostr also didn’t rotate the pubkey as specified by #bitcoin standards


👆👆👆 this guy knows


I think we can call any server maintainer in less than 30 minutes and order they act accordingly EU Rule number X and it’s gone! https://image.nostr.build/c91cc484345e4552e23dd4bf076871c6f687797ed9e9273e206fd04e927229e1.jpg


¿Somos tontos o no?


It’s paper chat right now lol


Yes but we should bootstrap users inside a mesh of udp p2p servers(“providers”). Right now it’s only will and a dozen running very targetable servers. Aka. Ethereum/AWS/… #bitcoin should be in the core of #nostr from its foundation(L1) not on paper bitcoin (lightning). As an exemple bitcoin can bootstrap to a network of p2p from its foundation. That’s a ground to build from. Every single guy who tried something centralized have failed in this area. Or will fail in the near future. Bitcoiners require 100% decentralization or it’s not real plebs.


It’s time to talk about webrtc. The technology the VC stopped researching because wasn’t going to benefit Web 2.0. Mostly specifically a pubkey p2p network who could bypass the two-side-NAT problem. nostr:note1dt7apjtrkzje0y0zdf7j0jc0hcp7p4pk6zpa5ryzac7rnalev2as3hgkew


The thing is: #nostr isn’t much p2p oriented right now. Most of work til now consists in doing JavaScripts frontend. That’s cool but #bitcoin cyber hornets 🐝 don’t stop until it’s totally decentralized. From the ground to the top. If you start doing something centralized it’s the same as #ethereum keep doing round after round.


P2P is the only way for #bitcoin or any product you call “from the plebs”. Everything else is just a Venture Capitalist playing with some charismatic dude looking to jump from his back.


Digital signatures were invented much before of #nostr and got really popular with #bitcoin. But come on websockets can easily be shut down. So what we are doing here is just Twitter 2.0 (the next take over). In my view, decentralization is a grounding for #bitcoin roots, if you avoid decentralization you cannot associate with #bitcoin community. You guys are only creating the bank and government 2.0. Its cute but far from hard tech.


Well but who’s going to host that dangerous prohibited <data> while the gov keep sending subpoenas around ? More nodes today don’t help because they look like isolated islands, easy to being take over by any gov worldwide.


The day we reinvented websockets


We’ve stopped studying/improving webrtc because it was working. But eventually that would kill all web2 infra we have today.


Searching for alternatives? https://zeronet.io/


Next invention: #bitcoin credit cards backed by the FED to keep you poor


#satsconf guys just reinvented the bank for bitcoins (cashu) in order to slowly kill #bitcoin fundamental idea around decentralization.


Yes I even have my own implementation using redis with a nice score but look: This is exactly as easy to been taken over by CIA as Twitter was. There’s 0 innovation happening here. Exactly what “they” did last season with Ethereum to distract the plebs.


#nostr is more centralized than #eth. But uses #bitcoin in order to look nice while in the end it’s just VC nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m puppets all around


Wen uBitcoinD ?


Today in 2006 WikiLeaks was founded. For 13 of its short life it’s founder Julian Assange has been detained one way or another. https://video.nostr.build/7b8b2c0af82045034d7067e415754f818795219430e910fc375cbdd4d52eee87.mov


Lack of bash script


How could a dev live off bounties ? Autism is peaking


Well, this is technically impossible due to 1st law of thermodynamics. “The world will keep going WITH us”.


#nostr node operators are the biggest step against decentralization here. Easy target to any gov agency. PS.: you also let them handle all your metadata.


crAzY place


Useful resources for newcomers 🫡

https://usenostr.org/
https://nostr.net
https://nostr.com
https://nostr.directory/
https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr
https://nostrplebs.com/
https://nostr.watch/
https://damus.io/

#plebchain