Legend. https://image.nostr.build/2b518f4877cfae96b077f73d73d8a05778ec9fbfdcca4cdebb12997cd70b3184.jpg


This boy SAVED the INTERNET… but couldn't save himself.

10 years ago, he was persecuted by his government, and ultimately paid with his life.

Aaron Swartz is a modern hero that most people DO NOT KNOW.

But they should.

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Aaron was creative, focused, and brilliant.

At 14, he invented RSS; He dropped out of Stanford; At 19, he was in the first Y Combinator class; He co-founded Reddit.

Most likely, if he were alive today, he would be involved with #Bitcoin.

But that’s not EVEN 1% of what he did for us 🙏

Let’s take a look 👇

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From a young age, Aaron believed in an OPEN INTERNET. In computers as a tool for LIBERATION.

"But wait, wasn’t the internet always open?"

No.

Believe it or not, there was a time when they wanted you to REGISTER your ID before you could browse or send an email.

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He believed that PUBLIC LEGAL RECORDS and SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH should be accessible to everyone.

But in the U.S.,

• 98% of scientific articles are behind paywalls; and
• ~80% of legal records are too.

Imagine being sued and still having to pay to view the documents?

https://video.nostr.build/2af872c7a7d1b74ce0fb8d42369a87df45a7ee2d23df006d287b58ac60fcfe26.mp4

Aaron's war had 3 major battles.

The first was against PACER.

A legal records database.

PACER is PAID... but it was "free" in 17 public libraries.

With friends, Aaron wrote a script on a USB drive, plugged it into a USB port, downloaded 2.7 million documents... and SET THEM FREE.

https://video.nostr.build/21b565dd1742bc950748be2ac0e0ce2868f4b94c54d1da9321a198c49fe85d1e.mp4

No charges were made against the group.

But the FBI began to take notice.

That had only been the beginning. That boy would still challenge the system.

The following year, Aaron would enter the biggest fight of his life — and the greatest battle in internet history against censorship ✊

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"SOPA/PIPA" 👉 if you're over 20, you probably still remember these acronyms.

A bill to "combat piracy"... which was just an excuse for the government to shut down ANY SITE, without warning.

Some companies loved the idea.

But those who loved the internet fought back.

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And then, something wonderful happened.

We still knew how to fight against online censorship.

In a coordinated response, the biggest websites on the internet "went on STRIKE."

Wikipedia and Reddit went offline. Google turned black.

Protests also erupted in the STREETS.

But...

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... but people have short memories.

This battle was won.

However, the NEXT one would be the LAST for young Aaron.

This MIT security camera was the final straw that ruined his life 👇📹

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JSTOR was Swartz's final target: the largest database of academic papers in the world.

Aaron wrote a script to download MILLIONS of papers, over the course of months, using his MIT access, in a small room.

MIT has a rebellious culture.

But the FBI could no longer tolerate the boy's defiance.

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With the video evidence, the U.S. prosecution charged Aaron with 13 crimes. Up to 50 years in prison.

In January 2011, he was arrested by undercover agents near the Harvard campus.

From then on, he was legally tortured.

Two years later, he would be found dead at home.

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"Aaron would be 38 years old today.

He was accused of 'pirating' scientific papers funded with public money.

Facing up to 50 years in prison, he took his own life.

Those he inspired continue to democratize access to science.

Let us remember him."

*These are the words of Susan, his mother.

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After his death, the charges were dropped by the government.

Aaron never considered entering a 'plea deal'. He would have faced millions of dollars in legal costs.

The father of the internet, Tim Berners-Lee, published a short poem at the time that says it all:

“The world was a little worse for his passing,
But a lot better for his being.”

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Aaron wasn’t a unanimous figure. You may disagree with his methods.

But he was faithful to his ideal.

He was genuine. Firm in what he believed.

He was a person who used his prodigious skills not to enrich himself, but to make the internet fairer, and the world a better place.

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Aaron had worked with Virgil Griffith (former Ethereum, now imprisoned for "teaching about crypto" to North Koreans).

He knew Elizabeth Stark (from Lightning).

He was friends with Zooko.

And he wrote about #Bitcoin — on the DAY he was arrested (1/6/11)! 😢

http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/squarezooko

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Curious? To learn more about the story, start with this documentary (on YouTube) 👇

[https://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ](https://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ)

We’ll finish with an excerpt from the "Manifesto for Free Access," by Aaron himself:

"Information is power. But, like all power, there are those who want to keep it for themselves. There is no justice in following unjust laws. It’s time to come to the light, and, in the tradition of civil disobedience, declare our opposition to the private theft of public culture.

We must take information, wherever it is, make our copies, and share them with the world."

RIP, Aaron ✊

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Cheese steak sandwich would be nice right about now.


RELAYS HAVE EVOLVED!

Nostr relays have evolved beyond their initial role as dumb pipes or simple databases. Today, the Nostr ecosystem is home to a variety of specialized relays, each offering unique functionalities.

What unique relays exist on Nostr? Here are a few:

wss://gm.swarmstr.com - A relay for GMs only
wss://catstrr.swarmstr.com - Cat pics and content about cats
wss://questions.swarmstr.com - A questions only relay
by  nostr:npub178umpxtdflcm7a08nexvs4mu384kx0ngg9w8ltm5eut6q7lcp0vq05qrg4

wss://eyes.f7z.io - notes with the 👀 emoji only
wss://140.f7z.io - 140 character max notes, like Twitter's old policy
by  nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft

wss://algo.utxo.one - a new type of algorithm based relay
This type of relay category is very new, but will grow over time.
by  nostr:npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8

And then we have WoT relays or relays that operate with a Web-of-Trust, brining less spam to users in a more trusted and safer environment. Here are several WoT relays:

wss://wot.utxo.one
wss://nostrelites.org
wss://wot.nostr.party
wss://wot.sovbit.host
wss://wot.girino.org
wss://relay.lnau.net
wss://wot.siamstr.com
wss://relay.lexingtonbitcoin.org
wss://wot.azzamo.net
wss://wot.swarmstr.com
wss://zap.watch
wss://satsage.xyz
wss://wons.calva.dev
wss://wot.zacoos.com
wss://wot.shaving.kiwi
wss://wot.tealeaf.dev
wss://wot.nostr.net
wss://relay.goodmorningbitcoin.com

To fully leverage these relay advancements, we now need new sets tools that can make the most of these new features. It's time for relay management and relay explorers to take on a more prominent role within our clients. These tools can help users discover, explore, and even rate relays, encouraging greater decentralization of content on Nostr. This also opens up exciting new opportunities for how users find, engage with, and share information in new and unique ways.


Worth reading “how and types of info we collect” section 3 & 4 on their website: hushed.com/privacy-policy before giving them $$


We’re excited to announce that Tails (nostr:npub1hvfhgt24ma2a7nfa4vep5yt8k6shr70ujm3a8p7kx6t6he6emuzsh9y5av) is officially part of the Tor Project family! By joining forces, we’re ensuring that activists, journalists, and everyday users have access to more secure and sustainable tools for online privacy. Read more: https://blog.torproject.org/tor-tails-join-forces #TorTails #PrivacyMatters

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Reverse psychology… I like it. nostr:note1xkqvsqk0as4f5xupwsqc5k2w8etmdz2ycu4pu4f55dleq9lklg0srd5s4m


Hello Nostr!

This npub will now be a primary outlet for Bisq news and announcements.

New posts will be published here and then cross-posted to the bisq_network X handle.

Decommissioning X will be considered when this npub has more followers.

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Why butter?


uncle to the rescue!


Hahaha, brilliant!


Had enough. #proofofwork https://image.nostr.build/11ace8f3c103dea3d3825624317ac1fa192eac8f8b6c4e1ccf727d0a4285e25e.jpg


nostriga ❤🔥 https://github.com/orgs/nostrworld/projects/3/views/15


😂 nostr:note1gsrfm46u8pct555wje2het0x2lmzhq7lg6ryatuup9e68ex7v9aqryx8ah


Heh! Yep was gonna paste exactly the same thing and saw your comment. They’ll monitor the shit out of this thing and block anything they feel will undercut their revenue.


It’s just an illusion of change. Here’s an awesome summary of what I think is the best explanation without those pink glasses that everyone seem to be wearing nowadays: nostr:note1ea43qn88vle6nxn0mfx54nwevdd38sgj567cpk7dyqrq50gzxe2snv2c7d


By nostr:npub1gdu7w6l6w65qhrdeaf6eyywepwe7v7ezqtugsrxy7hl7ypjsvxksd76nak

It's nice that politicians are pandering to bitcoiners, but promises are cheap. There is a major insurmountable obstacle to the US govt buying bitcoin: The US govt does NOT own or control the US Federal Reserve, which is a cartel of private banks. The US President can't just tell this cartel what to do with their reserves. The US dollar is the sacred cow of this cartel, and it's how they rob the entire planet. They're not about to give up this racket because some politician made a promise whose implications he doesn't understand. They're not going to buy a million bitcoins, because a commitment to purchase bitcoin will just encourage everyone to dump their dollars and buy bitcoin, and destroy the value of the dollar and their ability to rob the world with it. If you think they managed to build this century-old cartel while being stupid enough to fall for this or powerless enough to stop it, you're going to be disappointed to find out they're actually just evil.

But can't the US government buy bitcoin itself, without the Fed? With whose money exactly? The US government is fiscally irresponsible and its biggest expense is debt servicing. There are good reasons your irresponsible debt slave friends never get bitcoin and keep laughing at you when you bring it up. Irresponsible high time preference people and institutions don't understand the concept of long term savings. More importantly, the US government needs the Fed to buy its debt and keep its Treasury ponzi going. Buying bitcoin in spite of the Fed's opposition is a full-on declaration of war by the US government against the Fed and the fiat dollar, and that's just not something that Trump, or Kennedy, is up for. Trump has repeatedly praised the Fed. Kennedy wants to implement some ridiculous low interest rate subsidized home lending scheme only possible with the Fed creating cheap money. These men are not Andrew Jackson, nor are they even trying to be him.

The real enemy of bitcoin, and humanity, is the Fed. The US government is just its tool, and politicians are interchangeable actors that haven't mattered in decades. You're not going to destroy the Fed by promising to vote for one actor over another. Your only chance of destroying it is for bitcoin to grow larger than the dollar and Treasury bonds, and for dollar users to continue to get impoverished into oblivion while bitcoiners thrive with their superior technology. I humbly suggest you not waste time and sats on the politics circus, and work hard to stack sats instead.


lol nostr:note129u5pw3knj0ze87cc7mjfzh8efakveh589v94p7nwkz9tlk8pm9s3t3hfx


This nostr:note1dlaxh6j5jvq0yx94nxe6cmtrgcqpcfxu75hruep86awc0a4f90gqj4yxd3


Julian Assange in 2014 on Bitcoin.

Incredible.

H/t nostr:npub1trr5r2nrpsk6xkjk5a7p6pfcryyt6yzsflwjmz6r7uj7lfkjxxtq78hdpu
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Did my part, but spread sats to a better cause. What a human garbage, absolutely disgusting way to lure for clicks. The term “journalism” means fucking nothing nowadays.


Did my part. What a human garbage, absolutely disgusting way to lure for clicks. The term “journalism” means fucking nothing nowadays. nostr:note1zsdg2gg3lmy5v9ve65hzqgr2m6j6ccnpf8lwhmucq9kyne49fe0syac05m


Fucking hell… what the fuck are these people smoking.. nostr:note1d5lyzfndc0456qz49g8tmezkc0k7wxuec38lv5y589hyf9w5c2uqgth9kv


With everything that’s happening nowadays, I cannot stress enough how important this is. Kudos nostr:npub1dllf8wmj6jk83r7chck6madmfgh3fges65ctpe5t6ueujazvvcvsh20tz5 nostr:note1wwg7nf0rpeuqqq9mgl07pnhhaymrlcjy6ww0qcun3zt66v0dy5dsgd4qv0


Random.. what’s your technique for drinking out of that mug. Feels like a 45deg rotation is the only viable option, otherwise pants change is required.


The new norm is “guilty until proven innocent”.


Sparrow v1.8.6 released with:

Wallet search improvements
All open wallets summary
Mix from Postmix
Import Samourai backup file

And more: https://github.com/sparrowwallet/sparrow/releases/tag/1.8.6

https://sparrowwallet.com/download/


Hear hear!

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👀 nostr:note108jlmcc4gglhwqlhlyrdj5rht0tcj72m64kvqvp7rdq3qz5ce7hsrkpfn5


serenity https://image.nostr.build/c64074e00d4beb970a95a013463702e9f2266d1c2e4960bbbba5a2e599991faf.jpg


🚨 New Alby Browser Extension release! 🐝

v3.7 🪼 The Jellyfish Nebula Supernova Remnant

Some exciting stuff comes with this one, let's dive in
🧵👇

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Are there any recommended US-based KYC-free phone # services that take sats as payment? #asknostr


It’s confirmed.
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NEW TUTORIAL:
 nostr:npub19mf4jm44umnup4he4cdqrjk3us966qhdnc3zrlpjx93y4x95e3uq9qkfu2 - lets you buy and get Bitcoin into self custody in 2 minutes! Super fast walkthrough video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvxhJFhTwF4


🤡

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Hahaha love it!


random thought, when #nostr in space? nostr:note1d8nuafwyv8hqqxxdgl37sdmxlmcq7r9ttf22cx57gkjqkst69mgqpmlj8e


New #bitcoin sticker packs will go in the mail on Wednesday 🫡 https://image.nostr.build/0afa9f3051da85921d3d0ed8f0b85e05757bb530b484b642751b3a2384b42729.jpg


Hehe 🤙 nostr:note1x7kq7p6wpw38rgw74drg4mssh0esn3dwmwvjfexd2p59wjqahudqrrtkqx


Shocking!


CRAIG WRIGHT IS A FRAUD nostr:note18ysrhy4ym77axt2ahnya6l0z876xze6rzefc23wt9paajn78uzxqgrm8re


🔥hot nostr:note1mm4gx2657mc9qskkxurq9p7aj5p9u40ydzphm3urqj3467m0g9hst2g0mj


We've made paying for Mutiny+ from an external wallet even easier!

https://m.primal.net/HivT.png
https://m.primal.net/HivU.png

On iOS, we removed the in-app subscription option. However, you may go to https://plus.mutinywallet.com to log in with Mutiny and make a payment with any Lightning wallet.

We use Nostr Wallet Connect to send payment requests to your wallet when due. You may cancel these at any time on the wallet connections page.

https://m.primal.net/HivX.png

We don't have many exclusive features right now, but this will change soon when we launch our lightning address service. Sign up now to be one of the first to reserve a custom address in a few weeks.

https://m.primal.net/HivZ.png


ZEUS v0.8.2-rc1 is now available for testing

## v0.8.2 Highlights

- 0-conf LSP support for LND REST connections
- Point of Sale: Print receipts [Android]
- Multi-currency conversion tool
- 33 new fiat currency conversions
- Enhanced wallet recovery interface
- Default channel opening settings
- New success animation on Send/Receive
- New invoice expiration picker interface
- LND v0.17.4

## Links

Release notes: https://github.com/ZeusLN/zeus/releases/tag/v0.8.2-rc1

ZEUS documentation: https://docs.zeusln.app/
Embedded node FAQ: https://docs.zeusln.app/for-users/embedded-node/faq
Fee structure: https://docs.zeusln.app/lsp/fees

Android

Universal APK: https://zeusln.app/zeus-v0.8.2-rc1-universal.apk
arm64-v8a APK: https://zeusln.app/zeus-v0.8.2-rc1-arm64-v8a.apk
Manifest: https://zeusln.app/manifest-v0.8.2-rc1.txt
Manifest Signature: https://zeusln.app/manifest-v0.8.2-rc1.txt.sig

iOS

Apple TestFlight: https://testflight.apple.com/join/vVnODWoi
IPA: https://zeusln.com/zeus-v0.8.2-rc1.ipa

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Announcing Switch & Stack by
Strike

Lots of frustration out there. So, we launched a campaign.

Using another platform and want to give Strike a try? 0.69% fees from now until the #Bitcoin halving.

#Bitcoin shouldn't be expensive, difficult, or unavailable to buy. Period.

How does it work?

Just DM me, DM Strike, email private@strike.me, or tag us on Twitter/Nostr.

Once we confirm you're not an existing active Strike customer and qualify we'll enable the 0.69% ✅
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🤙 nostr:note1dqjhq7gx5jd9mz49q5sqgpfjw4d749s58te4ksw3p52dqy2qd4squ4a3g8


Sparrow v1.8.3 released with:

PGP download file verifier
Coldcard Q1 support
Trezor Safe 3 support
Improved QR reading

And more: https://github.com/sparrowwallet/sparrow/releases/tag/1.8.3

https://sparrowwallet.com/download/ https://image.nostr.build/dd9ad8e9ad16b81e4b1638d76cad23e7c094d6314e9773605188297a375f524f.png


🔥 Check out new Mutiny wallet on mobile 🔥 nostr:note125hlxq6u9umkca5jpm848yav0zcmaucjjvg4868mpg7dn7cxyxnqkr4g6u


We're happy to announce Mutiny Wallet is now available on iOS and Android!

https://m.primal.net/HiNK.jpg
https://m.primal.net/HiNL.jpg

In addition to the existing PWA, you can now get the same great Mutiny experience in native app form directly from the Apple App Store and Google Play Store.

We built Mutiny to be unstoppable. To do that, we knew we had to build it first for the web, without the censorship of permissioned app stores. Today, anyone can visit app.mutinywallet.com and get a self-custodial lightning wallet that can't be shut down by Apple or Google.

We have had the Android APK available to download for awhile, but starting today you may get it directly from the Google Play Store or using Obtainium on our Github. Here is the Play link:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mutinywallet.mutinywallet

The testflight has been out for awhile too, exclusive to our Mutiny+ users. Now available to all is our iOS Apple Store release.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mutiny-wallet/id6471030760

We have a lot of new features planned for Mutiny Wallet in the coming months (for all platforms), so stay tuned as we work to make Mutiny more social, more powerful, and even easier to use.

if you want to help shape Mutiny's future, please join our new Discord server or Matrix community. We want to build the best spending wallet in bitcoin and your feedback can help us get there.

https://discord.gg/x3njeHUjVd

More info in the blog below:

https://blog.mutinywallet.com/mutiny-wallet-android-and-ios/


By using #nostr, you are supporting that which supports your freedom of expression.


ATMs. These look great btw.


oh I see, makes more sense now, thanks!


trying to get strike going if possible. Any recommendations on what’s preferred/seamless on iOS client?


That’s the thing. It doesn’t give me any options and just fails on screen load and backs out.


I’m seeing an immediate failure on Damus when hitting “attach wallet”. Any idea why it would automatically fail without any input nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s ? #askdamus https://image.nostr.build/938a848aade0b95e8dd8087ad1e01b4cfb28b2023db1febae968c930ddb8b0a0.jpg


All I see is a surprised Weird Al Yankovic 🤷♂


Sparrow v1.8.2 released with:

Improved transaction tree
Quicker transaction tab loading
Reduced rescans on Bitcoin Core
Effective fee rate for CPFP

And more: https://github.com/sparrowwallet/sparrow/releases/tag/1.8.2

https://sparrowwallet.com/download/


Did anyone else run into SSL issues when trying to access Umbrel through Tor? #asknostr https://image.nostr.build/955ef9a06ef61451f749927dbc6c919861658036c0a7da51fd902b4974a75858.jpg


Come on baby… push! https://image.nostr.build/02b1e4f2979ec771203d6ea70ea65d3eb16f67f6a696035879b709fbd2946c19.jpg


Today I'm launching Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr! 🎉

Like YouTube, Flare lets you upload, view, comment, and like videos from your favorite creators. BUT unlike YouTube, we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we disagree 🤗

Since Flare is built on Nostr, you are free to serve your content from anywhere and consume content from any kind 34235 client you'd like.

Check it out at https://www.flare.pub/ 🔥
https://v.nostr.build/VygA.mp4


If you haven't watched Cypherpunks Write Code. Highly recommend it.

I have uploaded it to nostr:npub1nxy4qpqnld6kmpphjykvx2lqwvxmuxluddwjamm4nc29ds3elyzsm5avr7, thank me later

https://v.nostr.build/nA6q.mp4


This is the way.


where can I pay with sats?