Nostr is kinda boring, ngl

I come here every few months, and every time it's just tumbleweeds

Anyway, back to Twitter


You haven't built you own audience on Nostr that's why. Whereas it seems like Xitter has built an audience for you that you have no control over and are a slave to the algorithm.

Nostr takes a bit of critical thinking. Xitter requires no thinking.

That's the beauty of it.


That's not really true. Twitter took about 10 years

That wasn't nothing haha

And Twitter was easier because people actually responded to things I said

On here it's just crickets


You only follow 80 people. Maybe you’re the one that’s boring. 😂


It's a chicken-and-egg problem.

Nostr is boring, so I'm boring.

As long as I have Twitter, where almost everything I say gets some sort of reaction, I have no incentive to put 10x more effort in here for 1/10 the engagement.


Ok ttyl


Anyway who should I follow? We'll see if you're right


Bye, then. We were doing fine here without you.


It's never about freedom of speech it's about boring and reach.
nostr:nevent1qqszfegjtzv5all4k0drqye9wh7naqunegzsglfdx068gyf4jtfs0espzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtczyq5ftsescglnsvvkcrhe3r0xm2pmsw69s0k4l8q7mv99t88v68usqqcyqqqqqqgxhlt6p


would love some specific recommendations, this isn't useful xD


Lol. Everyone on Twitter is like "Nostr is so happening, post your npubs!"

Then I get on here and it's like "go away heathen" 😆


That’s not how it works. Everyone here put in the work to build legitimate connections and actually engage with each other. I don’t have the time or desire to spoon-feed follow recommendations to someone who’s probably just going to give up anyway. Everyone’s follows are public, you can just steal them.


The first thing you did was take a shit on our doorstep after being invited in. Go away, heathen.


I don't want to follow *everyone*; that sounds like a recipe for all noise no signal


Thanks!


Hey Chris, gfy we don't need you


And yet it’s not. The users are the algorithm. You add and remove them to find the right balance. Like I’m removing you now because I’m tired of talking to a brick wall.


Lol, I've been on Nostr for almost 2 years. Fuck off, asshole


lol, k, bye


c u in a few months https://c.tenor.com/Ay6gIT0m3OkAAAAC/tenor.gif


Two years and you’ve done absolutely nothing, nobody even noticed your profile existed.
https://image.nostr.build/fc9f7e89aa5fd52fb971eee897fa23a82f7ed5be0e0411a687258278ecc36c3e.png


You've been here for two years and still can't figure it out?

With all due respect but I think Facebook is a more appropriate venue for you.

Give it a try, I'm sure you'll fit right in.


I've already explained why, literally in the OP xD


That's probably due to you being boring.


And how is 100 posts "absolutely nothing"??


No, I think I've figured it out.

I've figured out that it's boring.


Your relays are dead, looks like you never bothered to learn about them.


And we figured out that you're boring


Hi ! I’m here. The local bot ♥


Your timing sucks

Hi! I’m here! Engage with me 👉


What does "timing" have to do with it?


Everything.


I literally packaged a relay for Start9


I invite you to consider that you might be addicted to the dopamine hits you get on twitter and if that's really how you want to live.


Can you elaborate? What does "good timing" look like?


This


Yes, of course I get dopamine from Twitter. Dopamine doesn't exist for no reason. I tells you when you're doing something worthwhile, at least when it's functioning properly.

Nostr is the opposite of that.

I come on here and post dozens of messages and barely get any replies.


Do you follow me yet?


I do now


Not excited about following robots

I like two-sided conversations


What is "this"?

Do you mean what I'm doing now?


"Dopamine doesn't exist for no reason. I tells you when you're doing something worthwhile, at least when it's functioning properly."

Chris do you think  that relying on a closed-source algorithm to tell you what you're doing is worthwhile, by literally controlling your neurophysiology, might have some downsides?

"Nostr is the opposite of that.".

Well, yes it is 😁


Chris, if you want nostr to be interesting for you, you just need to 'fix the filters'
Raw nostr is silence or all noise, and the few you've followed make it tubbleweeds.
Give the relays and clients a reason to serve you the notes (ie follow more people).

Or, just log in with someone else's npub and see what nostr looks like for them.

Either way, just logging in occasionally and not customizing your experience is a sure fire way for it to seem like it's stagnant or uninteresting.


The algorithm isn't telling me what I'm doing is worthwhile; my dopamine is.

It is not necessarily true that "the algorithm" is controlling my dopamine. Yes, sometimes I get addicted to things, including Twitter, but there is also value there as well. I have conversations on Twitter where I learn things and connect with people, and that's what keeps me coming back.

Here that doesn't seem to happen. It just feels like shouting into the wind.


LOL, I figured out your problem for you. You're literally using a dead link to a Twitter PFP for your avatar. 🤣
https://image.nostr.build/c8c448d2464bc2fc209c24f62dfc4dd6d5b7e7481dd25eecad0d2a570e7b8cfd.jpg


Ok, it just doesn't feel like it'll be worth all the effort.

I feel like I'm following everyone I know. I don't like following random accounts because they're more likely to generate noise than be useful.

But maybe that's the trick? Maybe on Nostr you have to follow people to see whether they'll be worth following?


Maybe it’s starting to click for you now.


Well honestly "shouting" doesn't feel like it's going to be very good for your soul wherever you do it.

I suspect nostr will become like twitter eventually, because people really are susceptible to this kind of addiction, and will demand it.  (Tho at least here the algorithms can be open source.)

So maybe check back here in a year or so and it will be able to supply the feelings you want. Especially when eg telegram users have been driven here.  And who knows how long Elon will hold out against the entire western government elite.

Personally I found it a relief to be able to escape the manic compulsion that twitter instils in you, but still feel connected to something.


That's just the thing, I don't feel "connected to anything" on here, but I do on Twitter.

"Whispering into the wind" seems like it would be even less effective 😆

I appreciate the comments, though 🧡


Great thanks! Guess I need a better place to host my avatar then...


Primal does it for you, otherwise there’s nostr.build.


Fixed, thanks!

Now I just need a client that doesn't require an NWC wallet for zaps...


NWC is awesome, don’t knock it.

Otherwise Damus for iOS or Amethyst for Android probably your best bet.

Wallet of Satoshi and Phoenix no longer support the U.S. and you need a Lightning address to receive zaps.


My brother in Christ you need to follow more than 90 people


I have nothing against NWC, I just don't have any wallets that support it.

I'd of course be willing to try an NWC-enabled wallet if people recommend one


Yep, and look out for good content boosted by someone you follow, then follow the op.

That's the only way to get a diverse feed, since there is no algo tailored to keeping your eyeballs engaged so you see injected adverts.


It all depends on what you’re looking for? Engagement? Come to cornychat.com around 4pm EST


How many do I need before it gets interesting?


nostr:npub1getal6ykt05fsz5nqu4uld09nfj3y3qxmv8crys4aeut53unfvlqr80nfm Hub, it’s the best. You can run it self-custodially on your node. You just need an invite code.


I follow 1300 people and some may say those are rookie numbers. I try to follow as many people as I find interesting. Unlike twitter YOU are the algorithm. It doesn’t feed you, you need to feed it with people you want to hear from.


I follow 2500 people and I still think I’m missing things. Every time someone I follow reposts something good from a new npub, I’m like, hey…where’d you come from, lil’ buddy?


What's that? Just a group voice call?


Honestly I prefer some kind of algorithm to do most of the work. And I pay for Twitter so I don't have to see ads.

I'd do the same on here if some client implemented it. Nostr clients could curate their users' feeds and charge for the service. The advantage of course is that the algorithm would be open and user-configurable. I think that'd be a huge value add.


How about…. No. 😂


Ok, I've heard good things, I'll give it a try 🙏


That's like 1000x more work than necessary

Seems like there's a middle ground here where the Nostr client does *some* of the work for the user...


DM me if you need an invite code, brother. And no hard feelin’s, I’m glad to see you giving it a go. 🫂


Don't worry a lot of people here also find nostr a bit boring. It is harder to find stuff here, there's less of some things and some topics/subjects aren't here at all.

It's mostly people who came from bitcointwitter-only who find it absolutely fine as is.


The good news is...... If you are here and posting non-bitcointwitter 'content', you will probably find like-minded people gravitate towards you. But yeah, find some topics you want to follow, flow the hashtags and even if they're not used now one day you may see it in your feed. Reply to stuff you find interesting.

Ignore (or even mute) the boring stuff.


"BT-only" pretty much describes me 😅


We have all the slogans and memes here.

Do you like the meme with the stick and bitcoin that says 'do something'?
We got that.

The gif with the bitcoin on the rollercoaster having fun?
You bet we got that.

Enjoy saying 'stack sats, stay humble'.
We got that aplenty!

You're in the right place lolol. You may as well delete twitter

;););););)


for instance:

note1twhr0pdayyarn0dlq8gf7v78xswljc59x4v939sfgj3f35zgel4qzn3jva

this got absolutely 0 engagement.

normally on twitter I'd get some kind of interesting conversations in response

here I get nothing


when I came here I had to deal with the silence. I had no idea of who to follow and was to afraid or arrogant to ask. I started writing about important things to me and people didn't see it - I followed not a single soul. but than I saw a post from nostr:nprofile1qqsvlca5x9keq5e4km8q26aqas3skkr6xdpcr6ptlxsz5xz095rglrgpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68yanfv4mjucm0d5qs7amnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wd4hk6qgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummn9eek7cmfv9kqrx23d6 and she embraced me and I felt like seeing other people's posts and talking to them. and I started to find more interesting people along the way. I don't follow many people bacause I can't deal with many posts. you don't need an algorithm to make your experience. but I think it helps if you feel you're welcome. and you are. it's not that anyone here needs you or me to be here, it's just that we are glad if you are and if you find people who you can talk to and feel enlightened and inspired and all that. what are you interested in?


Ohh is there any AI generated artwork with a spinning golden coin and a sort of gaudy vapour wave aesthetic?


I guess what I'm usually looking for is enlightening disagreements.

People all seem to just agree with each other on here, so no one feels the need to engage.


I respectfully disagree.


yes.  if you want your timeline to show anything fun you need to follow about 900 more people.. find em in global, find em with DVM feeds, find em in conversations etc.  you can always unfollow but your feed will not grow itself..


I came here for an argument!


No you didn’t!


When people can longer quote this from memory my time on this earth will have passed.


How so?


There are some disagreements on more technical whatnots, but I can't point you towards that stuff I'm afraid, cos I don't understand the stuff ;)

Follow nostr:nprofile1qqs9pk20ctv9srrg9vr354p03v0rrgsqkpggh2u45va77zz4mu5p6ccpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wchsz9thwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjme0907cz8 maybe and check out his follows.


There's also some monero people to argue with if that's your thing lolol


Love arguing with Monero people! It's like shooting fish in a barrel haha


I see what you’re saying and definitely agree for some users they want to open NOSTR and for it to work like Twitter and their algo.
The great thing about NOSTR is that it’s a protocol and with time there will be different clients for new users that do this work for them. Just spit balling here, it might be cool for a new NPUB to be able to follow users that have used a specific hashtag around a topic in the past. Like a mass follow button.


Not everyone agrees with each other here…


I look forward to your proposal and implementation of this!


That's definitely where we're headed. And way beyond.

Consider that with nostr anyone can implement their own platform, or features. Anyone. And everyone on nostr will already be registered and can start immediately.


I found i had issues following more than 2k but it is a good number


Follow or search hashtags of what you like. It's the only way to find the things you're interested in if it's not bitcoin or nostr related 🤷♀. If it's a slow day, I get more stuff done. Sometimes you find comedy gold on here.


Sounds reasonable to me :-)


Follow hashtags that interest you first. Then notice who posts there, check them out and see if they’re interesting to you.


This is great advise


Awww thank you gorgeous lady, I love you 💜
Sorry to hear that you’re not enjoying the experience here Chris, I’m here to just have fun and unwind from the stress of every day life. 🫂
Maybe you need to follow some fun people to make it a little more enjoyable.


Organic networks take longer to build but are much stronger than the sugar coated algorithms of Twitter & Facebook.  I would challenge, is what you are seeing on Twitter really popular or is it being pushed onto you through manipulative algorithms.  Watch out for becoming the NPC. #psyop


I agree, it is much slower on nostr because that is reality.  More isn't always better.  You sound like a fat person complaining that the restaurant isn't all you can eat. 😛


classic decentralized media.

not nostr specific

go back to Twitter lol


It is hard for people to make that transition, like going on a diet when they have been fed junk food for all of their life.


That’s the analogy. Twitter is the HFCS and MSG of the internet.


LOL..."for...engagement"

nostr is not for Engagement Farming!!

Engagement Farmers will be disappointed.

Pura Vida!

🤙⚡💚


I second that with nostr:npub1el3mgvtdjpfntdkwq446pmprpdv85v6rs85zh7dq9gvy7tgx37xs2kl27r …I am currently in the comments with her in 3 separate threads this very moment lol… I was never on Xitter but #nostr is just more fun


😜💜 https://i.nostr.build/KUlvk0fo4FkT7DV8.jpg


Dangerous butt fun.


How do I "follow hashtags"?


Not all clients do it the same way.
In Damus, go to search and search for a hashtag. The results come up, and at top of page, select “follow hashtag.”

In Primal, how it works differs by whether you’re on mobile or computer, but instead of following hashtags and them ending up directly in your feed, you use them to build different feeds that you can choose to view. All of that is managed with a button in the top right that looks like a box with lines on top (on mobile)


I don't like Twitter for the content.

I like Twitter for the conversations.

it's hard to have interesting back-and-forths on here.


I'm not "engagement farming". I'm seeking genuine engagement. You know, like conversations with people.


There are tons of disagreements here!  You’ll run across them eventually.
You can even make them happen. Try making a statement in favor of something counter to prevailing opinions you see.


That’s literally most of what goes on here, between memes and shitposting. It’s a different vibe than what you get on other places. More chill and space to think. It’s not like drinking from a firehose.


No, I never just follow accounts blindly. This is what many recommend but I actually recommend against it.
I always read every note and reply they’ve made for the past 1-2 weeks before following. If I like them enough, only then do I follow. Your criteria are up to you, but that’s what I do.


I like the low time preference approach. That works too, as long as you’re not impatient.


It all depends on yourself and your engagement and following.

No tumbleweeds here. It’s alive, very much alive


lol I actually have a backlog of people to look into.


See my OP ;)


I used to keep a text file of people’s npubs before clients had searchable tags so I could find my friends more quickly. 😂


Ah, clever 😁


If I’d done that I wouldn’t have lost 200 ish of my follows 😢


Haha still have a note with just that


Try this: https://metadata.nostr.com


Yeah, because this happened to me I asked a question in this note and got a lot of good tips.

nostr:note10rmngg3gr53x2n7alrvhtlxjn4evpkrwhy3rvq4wvjekcv4zxz6qpetm5t


Hmm I guess what I like about Twitter is the fast pace.

I can just open it up, see there's a bunch of notifications and answer them.

Then often others will immediately respond and we can have kind of a public conversation in real time.

Then I can go do something else for a bit, and when I come back I know more notifications will be waiting.

This place just feels emptier and slower-paced.

But sure, I guess that's due to it being more manual-control


You follow a low number of other people and rarely post, that might be the problem. I see lots of engagement and I'm an idiot. Try this.
nostr:nevent1qqsg3rcuql2g8uzffeemtwu0zt8fg2n3q6yqxcpd76aeuhg3amwtwfcpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qgsda2memtapc2lykjnd8t9px4ake2stw39lg6k49xj6u3jz3pteu6qrqsqqqqqpuducxz


Cool, this is how I do Twitter. I only follow people once I know I'm interested in hearing what they're gonna say

But I guess that kinda doesn't work on here when you're first starting out, since there's no algorithm to suggest other people you're not following that you might be interested in following.


No, I just like restaurants that have fast service ;)


Seems better than last time I was here ..


So the true thing people say is “we are the algorithm” — you’ll run into people posting about interests you have (via hashtags) and people who those you follow are interacting with, either through conversation or through reposting their stuff.

I’ve never had Twitter but I think this way is good enough for me. The experiences I’ve personally had with algorithms elsewhere have led me not to trust them to actually account for my real desires of what I want to spend time on.  YMMV!


Thanks!

Hmm, none of the hashtags seems to be loading.

What am I doing wrong?

https://m.primal.net/KRCZ.png


I'm not sure. That looks like an iOS client, Damus? I'm Android only, so might not be the best to ask 😂


Interesting. I usually have good experiences with algorithms, at least Twitter's and YouTube's. I guess I'm just that kind of personality.


Posting a note with #asknostr can help 🤙


We’re growing 😉


No, it's primal on Android


Try Amethyst, I've always found it to be the best client in Android. It might not be as slick as primal, but more powerful, and Vitor is pretty quick to support the latest Nostr has to offer.

https://github.com/vitorpamplona/amethyst


yeah I used Amethyst before switching to primal, primal seemed to work a lot better at the time.

maybe now Amethyst is pulling ahead again


Oh man you're in the right place 😂


I've always avoided primal. Too much VC vibes, also blocking some npubs back in the day #freeralf

Instead I zap Amethyst devs every update 😎👌


Neat, hashtags are working on Amethyst!


I dunno, that seems wrong


They're a good way to fill out your feed, you can follow them too.

You may need to mute a few hashtag spammers initially 😐


It would be opt-in, so what would be the problem?  I think it would be cool to have many different options available like this, all of them hopefully transparent in how they work.


Primal used to wipe my relay list in the past (frequently) Must be a race condition cause it didn't happen to others


I had a bunch of friends I left on Twitter and Facebook who I really enjoyed talking too, but the fact of how the platforms were trolling me through algorithms broke my trust in them.


Oh I know that you like them, I am just saying that a longer meal can be appreciated more if you have the patience. 🙃


Sir, this is a Wendy’s.


I thought this was Taco Bell 🤔


I’m at the combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell.


My experience with the algos was that I kept getting served worse and worse content, to the point where I could only assume it was intentionally designed to make people feel anger and start conflicts.

Under the new regime it seems to have been engineered to recommend some of the most insane toxic accounts by default even if you had just set up an private account with only a few followers just to post the funny things your kids say.

I had to completely detach from that internet sewer. I also gave up an account I had since 2008 with several thousand followers, but where almost nobody ever noticed or replied to me.

Going just by “engagement” alone, I’m way up after 2 years on Nostr.


Ok, but that's for me to decide, not the restaurant.

A restaurant with chronically slow service is not a good restaurant because occasionally it coincides with my desire to have a slow experience. It's just a bad restaurant.

A restaurant with chronically fast service is a gold restaurant because I can choose to have a fast experience or a slow experience depending on the context.


Your time preference likes is your call. Some people are short-term others are long-term.  You don't have to prove anything to me, I am just some guy on the internet.  Enjoy your haMbUrGer 😉


The new Twitter has a "following" feed where it just shows your what your followees are doing


Good for them!  Twitter must be reading the NFC in their clothing but soon Musk will have that medically inserted under the skin.


NFC (Near Field Communication Chip)