Oddbean

And then later, Esau sends his son eliphaz to kill and rob Jacob but Jacob persuades them to not kill him, and gives everything to them Jasher is way way way more detailed than Jubilees which is in turn way more detailed than Genesis I am also even more convinced that the Lord and Satan are both human but with extraordinary knowledge and longevity, repeatedly talks about them, and angels concealing themselves to not be noticed, and bringing messages, and the whole Isaac sacrifice was a test of how much the Lord was true to His word and the enemy Satan was a trickster and sought to sow disorder. Anyhow, point being that if you had someone over and over again tell you the truth about things that no ordinary person could know, who could not be tricked and sometimes shows up in a spaceship I think I'd be obedient too. Reminds me, I had a dream this morning that an old girlfriend, the woman I wanted to owed, was visiting and then all these other women with her, like a cover of witches, and I'm like, she just returned to taunt me... Was very vivid... Last before I was unable to return to sleep after my disaster yesterday...

And the book of jasher keeps delivering more Laban, the father of Rachel and Leah, who tricks Jacob into a second 7 year of service by pretending to give Rachel but then giving Leah, because of custom, has a set of "images" - "and some make them in the figures of men, of gold and silver" and these images were imbued with the power of clairvoyance It does not say they were graven, and the thing I get from this is they were icons Rachel steals them from Laban so that Jacob can escape without Laban knowing to where... "images" is the words in the text, not idols.

I also am remiss to mention.. in the Bible and Genesis the "stealing of blessings" In jubilees and in genesis it says the mother tells to wear Jacob to wear scraps of leather to trick Isaac According to Jasher she only says to get goats to substitute for the venison, the story in it is very short. Kinda seems like maybe in these other versions simply the delusion of esau the red hairy hunter boy is what ended up in the text I might have to double check if I remembered that correctly, but I distinctly recall nothing about the fuzzy leather trick And also to refresh myself about who is the mother and her history

yes, Rebecca, the mother, says to go bring two goats and prepare them to make the offering (bbq) before Esau returns from the hunt Jacob just straight up lies and says "i am esau" when dad asks who it is and he eats and is happy and does the blessing just a small detail, still a deception, and interesting the difference

honestly, if dad can't hear the difference, i suspect the account is wrong i don't think any of the versions are correct precisely the consequences of this supposed "stealing of blessing" are enormous, the entire rest of these two, Jacob and Esau's lives, are changed by this event, and yet it is very clear that the critical details, the origin story, are incomplete

also, thematically it is virtually the identical story as cain and abel and their offerings to the lord, and the chip on his shoulder that cain gets out of it that leads him to murder his brother and interesting differences jacob is a herder, abel was a herder esau was a hunter, cain was a gardener something tells me that there's more to this than meets the eye, and the common factor of being an animal husband is central to it all of the animals that are "kosher" or "halal" are domesticated, i think that's part of it i can't help but notice as i am surrounded by people raising sheep, goats and cows, mostly in very small lots, the cows usually just one poor lil boi by himself all lonely, and they stare at you, like, they clearly want you to come up and say hello, the sheep do it, the goats do it, and the cows do it the chooks, funny enough, are the same, the number of times i've had them all scamper towards the corner of the enclosure if i decide to alight there and stay for a bit and say hello, they all think i'm good to be around, and usually they have never seen me before these animals, that are good for us to eat LIKE us

Interesting. Native Americans have a story about a race of large people with red hair. I suggest that before the flood the Earth had higher co2 levels, and those high carbon levels made it so that people could be much larger.. perhaps the nephilim were this large race. I suggest watching the documentary "is genesis history' https://youtu.be/UM82qxxskZE?si=BKaPgfZnkP6sL9lj

i literally have been thinking about how i should sit and watch some video while my shoulder is so bunged up it's hard to type (have to carefully lift my arm gently to keyboard position) i just confirmed as i suspected, that the trickery in mother rebecca encouraging jacob to deceive Isaac by bringing him a goat bbq dinner - in the Jasher version he doesn't wear any funny leather, he just says he's esau! still a lie tho but i'm wondering if in fact the real story was simply that Isacc was so far towards losing his mind he just didn't remember or listen properly, probably half deaf, blind and poor memory all in one because the rest of the whole story seems to be about esau's certainty that jacob "stole the blessing" and this led to bad luck somehow in Jasher the story continues further and it is very clear that Jacob is not the kind of person who would engage in fraud knowingly, the way he defeats Esau's anger with kindness and generosity just doesn't seem like trickiness, and not only that, in Jasher it repeatedly says that Esau was a hairy redhead, and was tricky and conniving! i forget which of Noah's sons was tricky and conniving but in Enoch he is also a redhead, and quite hairy also, nothing to do with CO2 levels, these tall white skinned blonde/red haired humans with big heads (and brains, i assume) simply mastered science well before Adam and both genetics and medicine meant they were able to live for ~1200 years

ok, the stuff about the rapid formation of the rock layers that became the canyons of north america, are actually perfectly science i was hoping i'd hear something to the effect of "the oceans boiled over and flooded onto the earth" and sure enough this scientist says so i'm still quite sure the great flood was 12800 years ago, and 6400 years ago was the events of the colapse of the tower of Babel and the fire burning sodom and gomorrah there is other evidence surrounding these other events in The Apocalypse of Yajnavalkya they posit the theory it was meteors but that actually doesn't really make sense and is very unlikely much more likely is that something caused the ocean to get punted over the sea... a pole shift, and epic geomagnetic disaster and seismic and volcanic activity and extreme cloud formation due to earth lacking its normal level of magnetic shielding

yeah, this is all in line with what Ben from Suspicious Observers says, about how every 6400 years there is a massive catastrophe, and some are worse than others i sit each day with the view of a massive 1200m tall mountain beside me, and i have traveled around a bit in the local area and seen how fast it appears that the collapse is actually occurring it seems impossible to me after what i see, that the current landscape looked at all like this even just 1000 years ago, it is really clear that the stone (mostly basalt) here has decayed and crumbled into the valley and that it is entirely possible that this entire island has only in fact been here maybe 6400 years and it was formed during the last disaster which is leading me to think some more why does it say in genesis about the ages of the people being so great, i mean, enoch, methuselah, even adam lived over 600 years, how can this reckoning match up with what we see today with lifespans under 100 years however, if the Lord and the Satan and all the Angels were in fact these type of human that have long since been on vacation colonising other places in the galaxy, and their genetics were that different, this steady loss of longevity actually makes sense anyhow, continuing, i'm not hating what i'm watching here at all, it's just adding more details to teh picture i've been building up