great episode! mic sound on jack a bit annoying at times though...

so debit card is a no go.... for some of us, holding no fiat rubbish, we need an easy and reliable way to convert and have accesible small petty cash amounts for everyday expenses... visa debit card was one possible straightforward solution, another would be easy offramp to bank account but that is troublesome and country dependant... bill payments are also processor and country dependant...

fuck fiat... separate money and state!

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